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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Last year I asked the list about using wireless tablets with a projector in class as a cheap EWB replacement and what set up people used if they had one. Our email has been reset and lost all the replies I had saved. I've been through the archives and can't find the replies I got. I would appreciate it if anyone has some information they could help me.</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Andrew Grimshaw<BR><B>Sent:</B> Fri 2/03/2007 8:45 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 7 - 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Yr7-10it] block it all<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>simple animations on flash cn also be saved as .gif - u just have to make<BR>sure u click the ainmation checkbox in the publish settings as the default<BR>setting is static<BR><BR>andrew grimshaw<BR>colac college<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Meadows, Roslyn M" <Meadows.Roslyn.M@edumail.vic.gov.au><BR>To: "Year 7 - 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List"<BR><yr7-10it@edulists.com.au><BR>Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:38 PM<BR>Subject: RE: [Yr7-10it] block it all<BR><BR><BR>Cameron - I agree with you that teachers should make the decision about<BR>which sites to block - and the way the pc's are configured!<BR><BR>After a year away from bentleigh our computers are so 'locked down' it<BR>takes the kids about 8 clicks to get into their home directory. Right<BR>clicking has been disabled completely, and although we have the<BR>Macromedia suite installed, I discovered today that kids cannot save swf<BR>files - so about 6 of my students who had spent time doing a flash<BR>animation for their website could not actually use it! I am also yet to<BR>work out how they can zip up a folder (eg a website) so they can submit<BR>it electronically. Chances are they will not be able to save zip files<BR>or exe files either - goodbye gamemaker???? I will be pushing to have<BR>the rules bent a little and attempt to put the onus back on the<BR>classroom teachers to supervise what students are doing.<BR><BR>There is nothing like diligence - my students know that if they are<BR>doing anything off task (even paint can be a distraction) I will just<BR>turn the computer off, they will risk losing their work, they are<BR>removed from the computer and have to work from a book with pen and<BR>paper. I find that once this has happened to a couple of kids the class<BR>settles down and stays on task. It's a bit similar to being in a Maths<BR>class and finding a kid reading a magazine - you confiscate the mag and<BR>keep an eye on him/her.<BR><BR>Our students are limited to educache, staff can go further but are<BR>limited to $10 credit (at 10c per MB) Once a staff member has used this<BR>credit he must email the principal who will ask the library tech for a<BR>printout of websites visited. I am hoping that by going to the<BR>brightsparks unlimited plan (thanks Cameron) we will halve our IP costs<BR>and everyone will have free access to the whole web.<BR><BR>After spending the last year at a notebook school where even MySpace,<BR>youtube and MSN Messenger were not blocked I feel like I have just<BR>landed behind the iron curtain - although I am enjoying being back here.<BR><BR>Roslyn Meadows | Information Technology | Bentleigh Secondary College |<BR>meadows.roslyn.m@edumail.vic.gov.au | ph 03 9579 1044 | mobile 0412 614<BR>062<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au<BR>[<A href="mailto:yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] On Behalf Of victor rajewski<BR>Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2007 9:09 PM<BR>To: Year 7 - 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List<BR>Subject: Re: [Yr7-10it] block it all<BR><BR>Our school has just invested in NetSupport School - among other things<BR>it lets the teacher in the classroom at the time to whitelist and<BR>blacklist sites as they come up - and includes the ability to easily<BR>see which site each student is visiting. It is quite nice. But what<BR>would be more useful to schools that can't put the money into a system<BR>like this would be a teacher-friendly interface to the proxy server<BR>(such as edupass) where they can do a similar function. This wouldn't<BR>be too hard to write - just needs a bit of will from the powers that<BR>be.<BR><BR>Even so, technical measures are not a replacement for engaging tasks<BR>and knowing what and how your students are doing. They just make it a<BR>bit easier sometimes.<BR><BR>On 3/1/07, Cameron Bell <bell.cameron.p@edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:<BR>> I don't have the time to block every site that may come up as "not<BR>> wanted" by staff. I tell the staff that it is their job as a classroom<BR>> teacher to monitor what goes on in *their* classroom. If I see a kid<BR>at<BR>> a site that is clearly not relevant, I simply tell them to get on with<BR>> the work as required and follow it up by keeping an eye on them and go<BR>> through the usual steps I would with any kid who wasn't doing the<BR>> current activity.<BR>> The alternative is to ignore the rest of the class while I kick the<BR>kid<BR>> of the computer while I check the history, find the site, get the URL,<BR>> determine the category, logon to the proxy, submit the filter.....<BR>> It's so much easier to say "Get on with the work or I'll........."<BR>><BR>> Cameron<BR>><BR>> Geoff Hutchison wrote:<BR>> > You are being too subtle Rob.<BR>> ><BR>> > Reminds me of my days working at a regional TAFE - VIC.GOV.AU was<BR>suddenly blocked, classified as porn (sic). Didn't even bother ringing<BR>our techs, took them over a month to unblock it.<BR>> ><BR>> > This blocking is just another case of the tail wagging the dog.<BR>Schools should decide what to block, and by schools, I mean the teaching<BR>staff. School and dept tech support should deliver what schools want,<BR>not what they decide schools can have.<BR>> ><BR>> > Which reminds me, Netspace is our ISP, and via an email a week ago,<BR>they informed us all that, due to many requests from schools, they were<BR>going to block many 'game' sites - they would decide what amounted to a<BR>'game' site.<BR>> ><BR>> > SIGH.<BR>> ><BR>> > If schools just got off their own backsides, and instigated their<BR>own filters AS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO.<BR>> ><BR>> > I could go on ................<BR>> ><BR>> > cheers<BR>> > Geoff<BR>> ><BR>> > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********<BR>> ><BR>> > On 01-Mar-07 at 3:32 PM Costello, Rob R wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >> Reading about more filtering -<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR><A href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/youtube-ban-for-victorian-schools">http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/youtube-ban-for-victorian-schools</A><BR>> >> /2007/03/01/1172338754827.html<BR>> >><BR>> >> Personally, I think every student should be satisfied with 24/7<BR>access<BR>> >> to the official VELS site, and maybe the curriculum planning<BR>guidelines<BR>> >><BR>> >> What more could they ask for?<BR>> >><BR>> >> Google, blogs, email, flickr, and all such web 2 apps should be<BR>banned<BR>> >> by decree<BR>> >><BR>> >> They might be used to communicate - and the risk of communicating<BR>is too<BR>> >> high<BR>> >><BR>> >> I look forward to a world in which every interesting and<BR>interactive web<BR>> >> site is finally blocked, and we all have handheld devices, on which<BR>we<BR>> >> can access an approved list of 3 sites<BR>> >><BR>> >> Paper and pen might also need banning, as there are reliable<BR>reports of<BR>> >> these media being used for obscene drawing and note passing in<BR>class<BR>> >><BR>> >> Rob<BR>> >><BR>> >> Important - This email and any attachments may be confidential. 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