On the Explorer thread .. IE TAB is a very handy plugin for Windows Firefox users. It can even handle the WindowsUpdate check and works by clicking on a statusbar icon. I wasnt noticed with a Vista beta release that IE 7 is remarkably like Firefox. (As with Win98, XP users shouldnt hold their breath)
<br> <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1419">https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1419</a> to download IE Tab<br><br>Regards Roland<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 20/06/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">
Leanne Wright</b> <<a href="mailto:barbarloot@yahoo.com">barbarloot@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div>I am encouraged by the news that the SSMS site will actually work with Explorer. I have tried to apply twice and each time windows has crashed - maybe third time lucky</div> <div>Leanne Wright</div><div><span class="q">
<br><br><b><i>"Mclean, Rachelle L" <<a href="mailto:Mclean.Rachelle.L@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Mclean.Rachelle.L@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>></i>
</b> wrote: </span></div><div></div></div><div><span class="e" id="q_10becde79f3c3c6b_3"> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"> <div> <div><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2">
<span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Like, the SSMS site that handles applications for examiners that only will work with Internet Explorer. What about those who haven't sold their souls to Microsoft?
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Rachelle McLean</span></font></div> <div><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </span></font></div> <div> <div style="text-align: center;" align="center">
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From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">
On Behalf Of </span></b>Roland Gesthuizen<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 12 June 2006 2:00 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Year 7 - 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List
<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Yr7-10it] VELS and IT</span></font><span lang="EN-US"></span></div></div> <div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span>
</font></div> <div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Last year, futurist Dr Damian Conway gave a good talk at a Monash Alumni breakfast about some of these technological changes and the convergence that is happening. The
<a href="http://audio.monash.edu.au/alumni/conway.mp3" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">MP3 download of the one hour presentation</a> is 28 Mb but worth listening to with a <a href="http://billkerr.blogspot.com/2005/07/four-funerals-and-wedding.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
good summary by Bill here</a>.<br><br>It is sad that many schools ignore these 'disruptive technologies', the benefits of Open Source software, the challenges of the Web2 or a "read-write" Internet, rejecting good ideas behind a small suite of shink-wrap software and corporate licences. Whilst they are playing safe by firewalling themselves from the world outside the school, they could become irrelevant, sugar-coated centers of learning that are stuck in the technological dark
ages. <br><br>It is hard to engage students and be an agent of change with your head firmly cemented in the sandpit.<br><br>Regards Roland</span></font></div> <div> <div><span><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">
On 12/06/06, <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Bill Kerr </span></b><<a href="mailto:billkerr@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">billkerr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span>
</font></span></div> <div> <div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">As well as the skills - taught through both conceptual understandings which hopefully will be developed at Paul's wiki and immersion (great discussion b/w Paul and Tony about this at Paul's wiki)
<br><a href="http://pdchandler.wikispaces.com/computing_concepts" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://pdchandler.wikispaces.com/computing_concepts</a><br><br>I've been thinking that attitudes (perhaps stemming in part from beliefs) and
environments are also v. important<br><br>Some users have the attitude of mastering the machine, of looking behind the screen, of exploring it more deeply. One tiny example, I've noticed how much more proficient those who learn and become fluent with keyboard shortcuts are over those who just rely on the mouse. (but of course there is far more to it than that)
<br><br>Environment is so important IMO. Brian Harvey used to give his students the key to the computer lab. The trend increasingly on my patch is to lock everything down and to restrict options rather than expand them.<br>
<br>1. Censor-ware<br>2. MS Agreement is bad in a number of ways. The MS UI is dumbing down (eg. hide file extensions), also the agreement restricts the uptake of Open Source, which is far more compatible with an educational philosophy (sharing stuff)
<br>3. Copyright Law (now out of date due to technological advances)<br>4. DRM (restrict ability to copy to prop up ageing business models)<br>5.
Locally many schools are obsessed with security (perhaps for good reasons) <br><br>I call these things the instruments of torture, analogous to the instruments of torture shown to Galileo to restrict his freedom of thought.
<br><br>Taken as a group: skills, attitudes, environment - how are we going in schools at the moment? <br><br>Not very well, I would suggest. </span></font></div></div> <div> <div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
<span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br><span>-- </span><br><span>Bill Kerr</span><br><span><a href="http://billkerr.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://billkerr.blogspot.com/
</a></span><br><span><a href="http://beam.to/billkerr" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://beam.to/billkerr</a></span><br><span>skype: billkerr2006 </span><br><br><br><br><br></span>
</font></div></div> <div> <div> <div><span><font face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On 6/11/06, <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Dr Paul Chandler</span></b> <<a href="mailto:paul.chandler@yvg.vic.edu.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
paul.chandler@yvg.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</span></font></span></div></div> <div> <div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">In an earlier post, I suggested that what we need, first of all, some vigorous discussion, some postulates, of what are some conceptual understandings which 'really matter' - those that 'the better' computer users have that 'the strugglers' don't yet have.
</span></font></span><br><br><span>In this context, Tony Forster observed:</span><br><br><span>> Imagine that its 1986, you are learning Wordstar on DOS or CPM. With the</span><br><span>> wisdom of hindsight, what are the generalised, higher order skills which
</span><br><span>>
will still be useful in 2006? More importantly, how would you have </span><br><span>> recognised them back in 1986? If you can answer that, then you are on the</span><br><span>> way to knowing what is important to teach now.
</span><br><br><span>Thanks, Tony. Interesting stuff to think about ... my thoughts for the moment ... </span><br><br><span>Not everyone on the list will be able to date themselves back to Wordstar in 1986 (I can only just do so). The things that were true then which seem to be true now are:
</span><br><span>- the document and program you are working in, exists within an 'external context' (hardware, operating system and filing system). So that, if you turn off your computer before saving your work, it's gone; if you type long enough, you'll make a document too big for the computer to handle, and you'll probably lose it; if you don't have your printer turned on and
plugged in, printing will be either lost or be in jibberish; etc etc </span><br><span>- if you select chunks of text they can be manipulated in various ways; these 'various ways' include its location in the document and format
</span><br><br><span>Anymore contributions, anyone?</span></div></div> <div> <div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Now, I'm not sure that we need to back-track into history all the time to identify 'key concepts', but sometimes it might sharpen our thinking. For instance, in the early days of the Macintosh, the word processor MacWrite had a concept of 'inserting a ruler' and certain formatting applied from that ruler until the next ruler encountered. MS Word (and possibly wordperfect before it) gave us the idea of a paragraph as a 'grouping' of certain formatting options. The fact that the MacWrite idea has largely gone by the board does not
change the fact that 'the ruler' was a vital concept for those who were using it at that the time. I don't think the 'important concepts' have to have extreme longevity, but they need to be applicable t! o how we are worki! ng now.
</span></font></div></div> <div><span> <div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br><br><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From: <a href="mailto:yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> on behalf of Tony Forster</span><br><span>Sent: Sat 6/10/2006 11:09 PM</span><br><span>To: Year 7 - 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List </span><br><span>Subject: Re: [Yr7-10it] VELS and IT
</span><br><br><span>> I'm teaching "about IT", I find it _really_ hard to move beyond knowledge.</span><br><span>> To do things such as summarize, describe, interpret, apply, demonstrate,</span><br><span>
> calculate, analyze, separate, order, explain, connect, classify, combine,</span><br><span>> integrate, modify, rearrange, substitute, assess, decide, rank, grade,</span><br><span>> test,</span><br><span>> measure, or recommend ... All the "higher order" skills is just so hard.
</span><br><span>> I'd suggest that this is because we are too bothered with ensuring that</span><br><span>> the</span><br><span>> students have "the skills" rather than "the concepts". If we were
</span><br><span>> orientated towards "concepts", then then higher order stuff would come </span><br><span>> easier.</span><br><br><span>Imagine that its 1986, you are learning Wordstar on DOS or CPM. With the
</span><br><span>wisdom of hindsight, what are the generalised, higher
order skills which</span><br><span>will still be useful in 2006? More importantly, how would you have </span><br><span>recognised them back in 1986? If you can answer that, then you are on the</span><br><span>way to knowing what is important to teach now.
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