From kevork at edulists.com.au  Fri Mar 25 14:44:31 2005
From: kevork at edulists.com.au (Kevork Krozian)
Date: Fri Mar 25 15:03:54 2005
Subject: [Yr7-10it] New Mailing List Address -----  www.edulists.com.au
Message-ID: <007801c530ec$f41725e0$0301a8c0@LAPTOPKRO>

Dear Friends,

    You will most likely get multiples of this message but I hope you will not mind.
    
    The Mailing Lists have moved to a new domain name :
                 edulists.com.au 
    
     Everything is the same except: 
     
     replace ALL instances of fhc.vic.edu.au with edulists.com.au

     If you write to the old list address eg. ipm@fhc.vic.edu.au it will be redirected to ipm@edulists.com.au
     If you try to access http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au/lists it will also be redirected to http://www.edulists.com.au 
     Your one stop location for ALL mailing list services is http://www.edulists.com.au


    There will be a number of new features in the service as the server used for the lists have been upgraded and you will notice a much clearer subject line to identify the    source of the list. 
     The changeover has been a direct cutover and no doubt there will be teething problems. Please be patient and report these to Kevork at kevork@edulists.com.au.
     There will be a number of new features in the service as the server used for the lists has been upgraded ( both software and hardware ) and you will notice a much clearer subject line to identify the source of the list amongst many other features.
     As we move forward let's continue to support each other  
   
Kevork Krozian
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From billkerr at gmail.com  Sun Mar 27 11:15:41 2005
From: billkerr at gmail.com (Bill Kerr)
Date: Sun Mar 27 11:09:58 2005
Subject: [Yr7-10it] web presence
Message-ID: <5d2dce5205032617151f7c38bc@mail.gmail.com>

The creator of the World Wide Web, Tim Berners-Lee, always envisaged
that the Web would be something that users would write to and that it
should be easy to write to. He wanted users to be active participants
not just passive readers and surfers.

It's important for student's to be able to publish their web pages out
there on the Web so they can look them up, show them off and work on
them outside of school hours. Conceptually and psychologically there
is a quantum leap difference between publishing on the Web compared to
just preparing something for the teacher, which never makes it to the
wider world.

I've discovered a way to enable students to do this which develops
naturally and hopefully would be a first step along the path of them
establishing a more permanent web presence that they will continue
with in their own time.

The first step is to create a <a href="http://flickr.com/">flickr
account</a> and publish some pictures you like on it.

Then you need to learn a little HTML. This is not too hard and there
are advantages of starting with HTML compared with visual design tools
such as Dreamweaver. HTML is fundamental and there are lots of web
applications, such as webnote and blogger, that you can do more with
if you know HTML.

Finally, you can create a <a
href="http://www.aypwip.org/webnote/">webnote space</a> and quickly
create a web presence. To publish a picture on webnote you look up the
URL of the picture on flickr and use the img tag and src attribute to
access the graphic.

Through this exercise my students create a web presence at flickr and
webnote, they have become web publishers. They have found out that
HTML is useful and can be quickly applied to publish a simple web site
which they can look up and work on outside of school hours. The whole
process is relatively quick and simple.

I asked my students (year 10) for permission to share their work, here
are some examples of what they created:

<a href="http://www.aypwip.org/webnote/krojinx">http://www.aypwip.org/webnote/krojinx</a>
<a href="http://www.aypwip.org/webnote/clayking">http://www.aypwip.org/webnote/clayking</a>
-- 
Bill Kerr
http://billkerr.blogspot.com/
http://intranet.woodvillehs.sa.edu.au/kerrbi/index.htm
From rge at westallsc.vic.edu.au  Mon Mar 28 21:34:09 2005
From: rge at westallsc.vic.edu.au (Roland Gesthuizen)
Date: Mon Mar 28 21:28:07 2005
Subject: [Yr7-10it] Over Information
Message-ID: <20050328113408.97242127A81@mail.netspace.net.au>

Not sure where this fits in but it is certainly a fascinating ABC article
that many students can probably relate to.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/features/overinformation/default.htm

It's official: Australians are "heavy". This isn't referring to our
food-induced state. The "heavy" in this case relates to our personal digital
consumption. The typical gadget-crazy person is now carrying around massive
amounts of information. Forget the old address book and paper diary; today
we're storing text messages, emails, images, music and more on our mobiles,
MP3 players, organizers and cameras
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From keithcr at fastmail.fm  Tue Mar 29 12:07:13 2005
From: keithcr at fastmail.fm (Keith Richardson)
Date: Tue Mar 29 12:28:00 2005
Subject: [Yr7-10it] School Summary of Webstyle Guide available soon.
Message-ID: <1112062033.16478.230578297@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Please excuse cross-lists.
This is to announce the planned electronic publishing of 'Quotes from
www.webstyleguide.com' to make it available to all students and teachers
concerned with publishing web solutions to information problems.

I am sending this to the following lists to reach any teachers that may
require or find useful a 57 page summary I have made for my students of
Patric Lynch and Sarah Horton (Yale University)'s "webstyleguide.com".
(Multi-media, IS, IP&M, Yr 9&10it).

I will forward the 669Kb Word file to Kevork to make it all available to
everyone. (in anticipation, thankyou Kevork.)

Reading it in depth and summarizing it took me around 36 hours.
Fortunately, the original author has granted us permission to publish
this summary electronically. Every page is linked via URL back to the
original where Patrick had included many examples and additional detail.
In every spot where I have removed material, this is shown with the
triple-period sign ("..."). It is formatted to print out, but may be
used electronically in Word because from here the coloured illustrations
show well, and the hyperlinks will work directly.


Here is the text of Patrick's permission letter:
Many thanks Pat and Sarah.
I will send you the URL that we put it on for Victorian (aus) IT
teachers.
Warm regards, Keith



On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:34:05 -0500, "Patrick Lynch"
<patrick.lynch@yale.edu> said:
> Keith,
> 
> You are welcome to use the Web Style Guide content as you describe in 
> your note below. Please do include credits and links to the original 
> site, as we do update it from time to time.
> 
> Good luck with your project!
> 
> Pat Lynch
> 
> 
> On Mar 27, 2005, at 6:57 PM, Keith Richardson wrote:
> 
> > Hello Patrick Lynch.
> > I am seeking your permission for something that I have already done, 
> > but
> > have not yet made available to other teachers.
> > I have spent the past 36 hours reading deeply and absorbing your
> > excellent website webstyleguide.com. Thank you for creating this.
> > I, along with many others in Victoria, teach computing in a high 
> > school.
> > One important area we teach is creating Web solutions to Information
> > problems.
> > In many ways your website is excellent for our needs, but unfortunately
> > what we need is something much smaller with references back to your
> > original site via its many URLs.
> > I am seeking your permission to make this available to other teachers 
> > in
> > Victoria Australia (for no financial compensation at all - we all share
> > and help one another gratis). At 669Kb I am happy to email you a copy,
> > but chose not to do that until you ask. If you grant me permission (and
> > I sincerely hope that you do, because it will make a significant impact
> > on our students' work) I will give full acknowledgement to you. If this
> > will lead to further sales of your book I do not know, but the
> > additional exposure would certainly do no harm I believe. I have
> > attempted to remain true to your original intention.
> > Thank you very much. I look forward to reading your reply.
> > Keith Richardson
> > Keith Richardson
> > Leibler Yavneh College
> > Elsternwick Ph (03)9528 4911
> > keithcr@fastmail.fm
> >
> >
> 
> =====
> Patrick J. Lynch, M.S.
> Director, MedMedia Group
> Information Technology Services-Medicine
> Yale University School of Medicine
> 100 Church Street South, Suite 107
> New Haven, CT 06519
> (203) 737-5033
> (203) 737-5034, fax
> mailto:patrick.lynch@yale.edu
> http://its.med.yale.edu/wdd
> http://its.med.yale.edu/about_itsmed/directors/lynch.html
> 
> "ITS-Med: connecting people and technology."
> http://its.med.yale.edu
> 
Keith Richardson
Leibler Yavneh College
Elsternwick Ph (03)9528 4911
keithcr@fastmail.fm

From mduthie at ballaratchristiancollege.vic.edu.au  Tue Mar 29 13:00:18 2005
From: mduthie at ballaratchristiancollege.vic.edu.au (Max Duthie)
Date: Tue Mar 29 12:54:41 2005
Subject: [Yr7-10it] School Summary of Webstyle Guide available soon.
In-Reply-To: <1112062033.16478.230578297@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1112062033.16478.230578297@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <492026975.20050329130018@ballaratchristiancollege.vic.edu.au>

Hello Keith,

Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 12:07:13 PM, you wrote:

> Please excuse cross-lists.
> This is to announce the planned electronic publishing of 'Quotes from
> www.webstyleguide.com' to make it available to all students and teachers
> concerned with publishing web solutions to information problems.

> I am sending this to the following lists to reach any teachers that may
> require or find useful a 57 page summary I have made for my students of
> Patric Lynch and Sarah Horton (Yale University)'s "webstyleguide.com".
> (Multi-media, IS, IP&M, Yr 9&10it).

> I will forward the 669Kb Word file to Kevork to make it all available to
> everyone. (in anticipation, thankyou Kevork.)

> Reading it in depth and summarizing it took me around 36 hours.
> Fortunately, the original author has granted us permission to publish
> this summary electronically. Every page is linked via URL back to the
> original where Patrick had included many examples and additional detail.
> In every spot where I have removed material, this is shown with the
> triple-period sign ("..."). It is formatted to print out, but may be
> used electronically in Word because from here the coloured illustrations
> show well, and the hyperlinks will work directly.


> Here is the text of Patrick's permission letter:
> Many thanks Pat and Sarah.
> I will send you the URL that we put it on for Victorian (aus) IT
> teachers.
> Warm regards, Keith



> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:34:05 -0500, "Patrick Lynch"
> <patrick.lynch@yale.edu> said:
>> Keith,
>> 
>> You are welcome to use the Web Style Guide content as you describe in
>> your note below. Please do include credits and links to the original
>> site, as we do update it from time to time.
>> 
>> Good luck with your project!
>> 
>> Pat Lynch
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 27, 2005, at 6:57 PM, Keith Richardson wrote:
>> 
>> > Hello Patrick Lynch.
>> > I am seeking your permission for something that I have already done,
>> > but
>> > have not yet made available to other teachers.
>> > I have spent the past 36 hours reading deeply and absorbing your
>> > excellent website webstyleguide.com. Thank you for creating this.
>> > I, along with many others in Victoria, teach computing in a high 
>> > school.
>> > One important area we teach is creating Web solutions to Information
>> > problems.
>> > In many ways your website is excellent for our needs, but unfortunately
>> > what we need is something much smaller with references back to your
>> > original site via its many URLs.
>> > I am seeking your permission to make this available to other teachers
>> > in
>> > Victoria Australia (for no financial compensation at all - we all share
>> > and help one another gratis). At 669Kb I am happy to email you a copy,
>> > but chose not to do that until you ask. If you grant me permission (and
>> > I sincerely hope that you do, because it will make a significant impact
>> > on our students' work) I will give full acknowledgement to you. If this
>> > will lead to further sales of your book I do not know, but the
>> > additional exposure would certainly do no harm I believe. I have
>> > attempted to remain true to your original intention.
>> > Thank you very much. I look forward to reading your reply.
>> > Keith Richardson
>> > Keith Richardson
>> > Leibler Yavneh College
>> > Elsternwick Ph (03)9528 4911
>> > keithcr@fastmail.fm
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> =====
>> Patrick J. Lynch, M.S.
>> Director, MedMedia Group
>> Information Technology Services-Medicine
>> Yale University School of Medicine
>> 100 Church Street South, Suite 107
>> New Haven, CT 06519
>> (203) 737-5033
>> (203) 737-5034, fax
>> mailto:patrick.lynch@yale.edu
>> http://its.med.yale.edu/wdd
>> http://its.med.yale.edu/about_itsmed/directors/lynch.html
>> 
>> "ITS-Med: connecting people and technology."
>> http://its.med.yale.edu
>> 
> Keith Richardson
> Leibler Yavneh College
> Elsternwick Ph (03)9528 4911
> keithcr@fastmail.fm

> _______________________________________________
> Yr7-10it mailing list
> Yr7-10it@edulists.com.au
> http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/yr7-10it

Keith,

Although we don't have a VCE class this year, I still maintain an
interest by teaching lower classes. Also our other IT teacher (and
Sytem Manager) is currently getting the Year 10 class to develop a Web
Site for the Colege, so if you can send me a copy by email attachment
I would be grateful.

Regards,
 Max                            mailto:mduthie@ballaratchristiancollege.vic.edu.au

From mduthie at ballaratchristiancollege.vic.edu.au  Tue Mar 29 14:20:29 2005
From: mduthie at ballaratchristiancollege.vic.edu.au (Max Duthie)
Date: Tue Mar 29 14:14:39 2005
Subject: [Yr7-10it] School Summary of Webstyle Guide available soon.
In-Reply-To: <492026975.20050329130018@ballaratchristiancollege.vic.edu.au>
References: <1112062033.16478.230578297@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<492026975.20050329130018@ballaratchristiancollege.vic.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1613983610.20050329142029@ballaratchristiancollege.vic.edu.au>

Ooops Sorry,

without thinking I replied to a message to the list and meant to reply
privately to Keith.

Max Duthie

reply to mduthie@ballaratchristiancollege.vic.edu.au



From keithcr at fastmail.fm  Tue Mar 29 18:46:39 2005
From: keithcr at fastmail.fm (Keith Richardson)
Date: Tue Mar 29 18:40:20 2005
Subject: [Yr7-10it] Location for Download of Webstyleguide dot com
Message-ID: <1112085999.13793.230598832@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Please excuse cross-posts.
Here is the location of the 639Kb Word file summary of the excellent
webstyleguide.com website.
It is 57 pages long (sorry - couldn't get it smaller!) and is
extensively cross listed back to the original web pages via hyperlinks.
Many parts of it should prove to be most useful, particularly the
multi-media section in the last few pages, if that is your thing...
Permission for this has been granted by its original author.

http://3in6.openlab.net.au/resources/quotes-from-webstyleguide-dot-com.doc

Regards, Keith.

Keith Richardson
Leibler Yavneh College
Elsternwick Ph (03)9528 4911
keithcr@fastmail.fm

From keithcr at fastmail.fm  Thu Mar 31 15:31:33 2005
From: keithcr at fastmail.fm (Keith Richardson)
Date: Thu Mar 31 15:24:46 2005
Subject: [Yr7-10it] Latest 3in6-2005 Video Comp News
Message-ID: <1112247093.10124.230775791@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Please forgive cross-posts.
VITTA 3in6-2005 Video Competition for Schools.
Decisions for this year's competition are being made as you read.
As soon as final decisions regarding new arrangements for 2005 have been
completed, full information will be added to the 3in6 website, and a
pointer to it relayed to schools here.
In the meantime, Archive copies of all 2004 top videos are available for
download.
Visit: http://3in6.openlab.net.au/archives.htm
A Site Map is not at http://3in6.openlab.net.au/site-map.htm
The description of how the website was created is at
http://3in6.openlab.net.au/website-creation.htm
Breaking news is at http://3in6.openlab.net.au/news2005.htm. (Interested
schools might like to bookmark this and view it once per week.)

Looking forward to a really exciting svhools video competition this
year!

Keith Richardson
for VITTA 3in6-2005 Video Competition
From billkerr at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 23:18:13 2005
From: billkerr at gmail.com (Bill Kerr)
Date: Thu Mar 31 23:11:23 2005
Subject: [Yr7-10it] amaya web editor
Message-ID: <5d2dce5205033105185cbc7403@mail.gmail.com>

I've been searching for a long time for a good open source and / or
free HTML editor that also has features to incorporate style and SVG
(scalable vector graphics)

I think Amaya might do the job. 
http://www.w3.org/Amaya/

"The current releases, Amaya 8.7.2 (old User Interface) and Amaya 9.1
(new User Interface), supports HTML 4.01, XHTML 1.0, XHTML Basic,
XHTML 1.1, HTTP 1.1, MathML 2.0, many CSS 2 features, and includes SVG
support (transformation, transparency, and SMIL animation on OpenGL
platforms). You can display and partially edit XML documents. It's an
internationalized application."

So far I've only checked out 8.7 but I like it a lot (first impressions)

it's produced by W3C, world wide web consortium, the standards body
led by Tim Berners-Lee - the trouble with a lot of the other web
editors I looked at is that they haven't bothered to keep up to date
with W3C standards (which had implications down the track even though
the web pages initially still "work")

W3C keeps a fairly low profile, which is my current hypothesis of why
this editor hasn't been talked about on teachers lists, to my
knowledge, up until now.

Bill Kerr
http://billkerr.blogspot.com/
http://intranet.woodvillehs.sa.edu.au/kerrbi/index.htm