<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Good point Roland. It does depend on the cohort and whether you're offering ITA or Software Development at Year 12. Kids who struggle with Maths may choose IT at Year 11 and would also struggle with programming, but may cope with the artistic side of IT. We are currently offering SD at Year 12 (very small class) and are looking to change to ITA next year.<br><br>Frank Fogarty<br>IT,Physics, Maths Teacher<br>Glen Eira College<br>Caulfield<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Roland Gesthuizen <rgesthuizen@gmail.com><br>To: Year 11 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List <yr11it@edulists.com.au><br>Sent: Friday, 15 June, 2007
12:25:51 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Yr11 Information Technology] Unit 2 Outcome 1:Programming<br><br>Hmm, but we only now offer ITA to our year 12's. My experience with the student on the summer camp was that we probably dont give them enough credit for their ability to learn new things. It is probably easy enough to step across from GameMaker code to Flash Action scrip or start afresh with a new language. Inspiration isn't such a bad ceiling to aim for.
<font size="-1"><br><br></font>A couple of years ago, a huge problem was how to improve attendance, engage year 11 IT students, keep the subject fresh, fun and encourage taking the next step. The cohort of students showing an interest seemed to have shifted. I guess we all have different challenges and groups to work with.
<br><br>Regards Roland<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 14/06/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Mark Kelly</b> <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Well - year 12 SD requirements can be found here:<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au/la/it/ipmnotes/sod/index.htm">http://www.mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au/la/it/ipmnotes/sod/index.htm</a><br><br>It may be wise to train year 11 kids in a language they will go on to
<br>use in year 12 SD.<br><br>Flattens the learning curve...<br><br>David Eddie wrote:<br>> Hi all<br>><br>> Can anyone direct me to a comprehensive list of the programming languages listed as appropriate for this outcome. Given my client base, I would love to use Gamemaker, but I am presuming that it is not appropriate. Looks like VB instead. Can anyone help?
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