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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Totally agree – the training package is out-dated and the material that I teach is severely out-dated to the point that I’m embarrassed to teach it. I’m not
getting the stroppiness from my students about Flash though, which is interesting. They don’t even raise an eyebrow when they’re creating pages in HTML that look like they are from 1997!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>claire@warrandytehigh.vic.edu.au<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 30 August 2013 9:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [vet-mm] 2D animation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I agree Michelle. Many issues of teacher development, student training, resourcing, especially as schools grapple with 1:1, BYOD and lack of funding!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="Default"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In the Range statement section of the 2D animation unit (CUFANM301A ) it says:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="Default"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">• </span><span style="font-size:11.5pt">Director
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<p class="Default"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">• </span><span style="font-size:11.5pt">Flash
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">• </span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Toon Boon Studio.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="Default"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.5pt">Output formats </span></i></b><span style="font-size:11.5pt">may include:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So given “may include” is only a suggestion, the training package doesn’t actually mandate the software.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The software definitely flows thru from the VCAA exam requirements.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Imagine you trained your kids in Toon Boon Studio (whatever that is?) and then the kids fronted up to the exam only to discover they had to do an animation
using software they’d never seen before…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(there must be a VCAA policy on this, but it would be my worst nightmare)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Does anyone know the latest state of play with our rapidly aging training package (let’s face it, in our area, the document is dating before it even gets published!!)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Given the likelihood of a new government, where is vocational education, in general, heading?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">OMG – too much to think about on a Friday
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Claire<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au">vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michelle Dennis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 29 August 2013 10:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [vet-mm] 2D animation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">The training package might not specify Adobe Flash, but the VCE Examination has a practical Flash component. So, yes, as things stand students must learn Adobe
Flash. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">I personally would love to see IDM move from Adobe Flash to After Effects, which offers more creative options when it comes to 2D animation. However, there would
have to be at least a two year lead time to train Unit 1&2 students in the program and it introduces an equity problem as it could be argued that After Effects requires higher spec desktops. After all, I think this is the first year the VCAA said that they
wouldn't allow Director (at last!)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">eLearning Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au">vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au] on behalf of Andrew Shortell [shortell@get2me.net]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 29 August 2013 9:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [vet-mm] 2D animation</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">hi Claire <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">if the 2d animation can be done in something other than flash and flash is not mandated ....??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">have you checked the VCAA prescriptions to see if Flash is mandated in there? perhaps also past copies of the VCAA Bulletin? also check exam requirements as posted in Bulletin.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">it is certainly no longer industry standard with HTML5 out in the wild and also the iPad not playing with it. I notice there are more tablets coming on the market that dont do flash either.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">however -- what is the industry standard now... and how do we get teachers up to speed quickly ... because the depth of knowledge and expertise about Flash amongst teachers is immense<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I recall when we put together the study from the training package that we focussed on industry standard but I do not recall specifying actual software or platforms. (Maybe we did ?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">maybe it is time to look at updating the study ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">(where I now work does not offer IDM)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net" target="_blank">shortell@get2me.net</a> (This List)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">@acsbear8 (twitter)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On 29/08/2013, at 3:36 PM, <a href="mailto:claire@warrandytehigh.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Jeanean,</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#6A6A6A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In fact, the PixelEd committee was talking about this at our last meeting.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#6A6A6A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If the demand is there, PixelEd could consider running some After Effects training for teachers – what do people think?</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#6A6A6A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
[mailto:vet-<a href="mailto:mm-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">mm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jeanean Pritchard<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, 29 August 2013 12:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List (<a href="mailto:vet-mm@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">vet-mm@edulists.com.au</a>)<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[vet-mm] 2D animation</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#6A6A6A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#6A6A6A">Hello everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#6A6A6A">I am interested to know what everyone is doing with 2D animation. My students have been so anti-flash this year – not because they find it difficult – they are finding it boring.
Their interest seems to lay with special effects/animation – ie after effects – and 3D animation. Is anyone else finding a rapidly growing disinterest for Flash among students?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#6A6A6A">Jeanean Pritchard</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#6A6A6A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#262626">Interactive Digital Media & Arts</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#6A6A6A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:jpritchard@highview.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">jpritchard@highview.vic.edu.au</a></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#6A6A6A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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