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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=301484602-11092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I agree.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=301484602-11092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Scripting is part of the Cert4 and Diploma
level -- this is the appropriate AQTF level for it -- as borne out by
industry feedback/expectations. For this reason our institute will be offerring
scripting in both our Cert4 and Diploma courses.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=301484602-11092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Re course design:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=301484602-11092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>For those who are sorry to see scripting go, there is no
restriction to covering it if you wish to, but I imagine you will probably need
to do this somewhere in unit 1/2. This could be done either as part of 'critical
thinking', 'interactive content' or 'advanced features' or maybe some
extra-curricular offering.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=301484602-11092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>From the students perspective:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=301484602-11092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>If a student is dead-keen on programming (games
etc) and was hoping to get this in VET IDM --- they would probably be
selecting some IT subjects like IPM where I understand scripting (concepts
and practice) is covered amply. (nb: not my teaching area but that is my
understanding)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV align=left><FONT size=1><FONT face=Verdana><STRONG><FONT color=#0000a0
size=2>Rob Swain</FONT></STRONG><BR><FONT color=#808080>Interactive Digital
Media</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Andrew
Shortell<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 11 September 2008 10:07 AM<BR><B>To:</B> VET
Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [vet-mm] Scripting
removed from new CertIIIInteractiveMediacourse ?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
industry representatives on the panel pointed out that no-one with a cert III
would be allowed to do any programming in the real world situation through lack
of knowledge. The absolute minimum for being allowed to do any programming in
the real world environment was Cert IV and even that was monitored carefully.
Thus the training package did not include any scripting in Cert III because the
training package is designed for training in real world
environments.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
IT people on the panel did express disappointment (after all, I actually
understand that part of the course as opposed to that stuff about colours
that I cannot even see!!) but there really was no option. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Scripting
is GONE. Either accept it. (There is no choice)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Andrew
Shortell<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Braemar
College<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Brian Pearce<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 10 September 2008 9:21
AM<BR><B>To:</B> VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[vet-mm] Scripting removed from new Cert IIIInteractiveMediacourse
?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I have
been keeping track of the multimedia job ads through SEEK and the highest paying
of the hands-on multimedia jobs seem to be for Flash developers. I’m not sure
how we can prepare them for this option if we don’t have scripting as an
integral part of the course. I will be including it as much as I am allowed
under the new structure, but if it’s not examined it might have to be as a bit
of an optional extension. They don’t all love it but at least the ones who do
can recognise that they have a talent for it and start down that
pathway.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Brian
Pearce<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Mclean, Rachelle L<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 9 September 2008 5:19
PM<BR><B>To:</B> VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[vet-mm] Scripting removed from new Cert III InteractiveMediacourse
?</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I’m sad
to see it go. I’ve always liked the scripting unit. The kids need
something in there to stretch the brain cells a bit, plus it gives the course
more credibility I think, so it’s not just a ‘make pretty digital things’
course. I’m hoping to get it going in my school for 2010 and will stick
some scripting in there somewhere.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Rachelle<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Stoney, Marian Sy<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 9 September 2008 11:59
AM<BR><B>To:</B> VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[vet-mm] Scripting removed from new Cert III InteractiveMedia course
?</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Hi
Kevork, </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I for one am sad to
see the demise of scripting. The reason it was left out, not removed, is that
there was no scripting option to choose from among the many units available at
Cert III level. From memory, it is offered at Cert IV level now. There has
been a general slight downward movement in the level of the Cert III units
in the new TP as compared to the old.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I am considering
teaching some Actionscript in the first year of Cert III as part of the Critical
Thinking unit, as I think knowledge of a scripting language is very
relevant in a subject called Interactive Digital Media. The Author Interactive
Sequences unit seems geared to web design - in fact, we included it to ensure
that web design was covered explicitly somewhere in the
course.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I'm speaking from
memory here - anyone else from the Advisory committee is welcome to correct
my recall of events,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Regards,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Marian</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Kevork Krozian<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tue
9/09/2008 9:58 AM<BR><B>To:</B> VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [vet-mm] Scripting removed from new Cert III
InteractiveMedia course ?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi Folks,<BR><BR> How
do others read the new course re scripting ? <BR>I have noticed the
"CUFDIG302A Author Interactive Sequences" Unit of<BR>Competence as perhaps the
best candidate for scripting.<BR><BR>Design specifications<BR>may include:<BR>*
interactive script<BR><BR> I expect most people won't do the extra
if it is not mandatory. How<BR>does everyone feel about this after all the
scripting they learned and<BR>developed ?<BR>Perhaps if any who were on the
steering committee read this they can<BR>tell us the rationale behind the
removal.<BR><BR>Best Wishes<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Kevork Krozian<BR>IT Manager
, Forest Hill College<BR>k.krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au<BR><A
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