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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Rob,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Yes, it was said
somewhat tongue in cheek ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I don’t have a
problem with what industry wants assessed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>When we 1st started teaching
MM, having taught VCE IP&M now ITA with a Study design for so long, the
shift in preparing students for a <b>VET</b> <b>VCE end-of-year exam</b> was
never really clear. Nothing to lean on, no texts, no web sites, little web/forum
activity, etc ... only past papers. Yeah... my students sat those disaster
exams from a few years back and while I happily admit the improvement made in the
past few years by the VCAA, I’m also happy to admit to trying to reflect
upon my own teaching, sources for material, exam preparation, etc, and still, I
believe a Training Package is more than capable of assessing students (in a VET
sense) but never really definitive enough for VCE (VCAA) end-of-year exams.
That’s why so many people sought advice on scripting... and to this day,
there are teachers who are nervous about this area, and other teachers who may
not be as strong in other areas. I find teaching MM fun and exciting but also
curiously frustrating in a good way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>The ITA/IP&M
study designs and software advice (that I was used to) always gave you minimum
expectations for software use with databases, spreadsheets, web design, etc. Nothing
like this exists in a Training Package and nor should it. Training Packages
allow students and teachers the ability to explore, investigate and discover
with great breadth and scope with room to tailor a curriculum towards various
interests and needs. Compressed into a VCE timeline, that’s not
necessarily always the case and that’s partially what I worry about with
the new TP that seems like it’s too big for a VCE timeline.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>That’s all. </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'>J</span><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>TJ<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Robert Ware<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 14 April 2008 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> vet-mm@edulists.com.au<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: RE: [vet-mm] changes to training package - any more info?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>"we could have
our own study design and remove the relative "vagueness" of a
Training Package that keeps us guessing every year come exam time"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>The training package
is quite clear in what it requires industry practitioners to assess. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Email me if you have
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Rob Ware<br>
Coordinator<br>
Multimedia<br>
Goulburn Ovens Institute of TAFE - Wangaratta Campus<br>
(03) 5723 6183<br>
<br>
>>> tony@star.melb.catholic.edu.au 14/04/2008 1:24 pm >>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>My 2
cents worth....<br>
<br>
>From what I can see, the new Training Package is too large for us to teach<br>
at VCE level.<br>
Nominal hours for units (currently being debated/organised) seem like they<br>
will far exceed <br>
what we are used to now. Whatever happens with the Training Package, the<br>
VCAA still needs <br>
to place their "rubber stamp" on it in terms of what is an acceptable
course<br>
at VCE level <br>
and it may just be that units covered will only form part of a new<br>
Certificate (not a complete one). <br>
This then poses issues for pathways for students. I would like to think that<br>
the VCAA would<br>
also consider the possibility of a VCE (no VET) Multimedia subject where<br>
(ahem) "we" could have<br>
our own study design and remove the relative "vagueness" of a
Training<br>
Package that keeps us<br>
guessing every year come exam time.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
TJ<br>
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From: vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au [<a
href="mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au]">mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a><br>
On Behalf Of claire<br>
Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 1:03 PM<br>
To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List<br>
Subject: Re: RE: [vet-mm] changes to training package - any more info?<br>
<br>
Hi Brian,<br>
As yet the details of new training package have not been published so it is<br>
difficult to discuss. <br>
I think the biggest issue will be confusion between the 2 names of these<br>
offerings.. <br>
The training package Film, TV, Radio and Multimedia will be called "Screen<br>
and Media", which sounds very like VCE Media Studies. This will be a
problem<br>
as students and parents will have difficulty distinguishing the two. <br>
<br>
There has been a precedent for calling the VET in schools program a slightly<br>
different name to that of the official TP name, so it may be that it is<br>
possible to avoid confusion in the naming. At one stage, I think we heard<br>
that the Cert 2 was called "Intera! ctive Digital Media" but not sure
of<br>
details. Would that name be su fficient to distinguish it from VCE Media? <br>
<br>
The actual content of the new MM certs is as yet unknown, but I'm sure the<br>
units of competency will be similar to what currently exists and certainly<br>
not overlap the VCE Media, anymore than it might do now?? I think the skills<br>
and advantages offered by VET MM or whatever it will be called certainly<br>
warrant it being offered alongside VCE Media. In fact, students could really<br>
benefit from doing both, as if they do Vis Comm and IT along with VET MM.<br>
They are complementary subjects not alternatives, in my opinion!<br>
<br>
It's difficult with tight school deadlines, but if possible wait for some<br>
VCAA decisions before making yours. <br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Claire Bloom<br>
Warrandyte High<br>
<br>
<br>
> Brian Pearce <BPearce@clc.vic.edu.au> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Does anyone else think it will be difficult to justify running the new<br>
> VET Media Certificate and the VCE Media ! studies course at the same<br>
> school ?<br>
> <br>
> >From the info I've seen it seems it will be difficult to distinguish<br>
> them apart, unless the teacher has control over which of the possible<br>
> UOCs are offered and chooses to make it as different as possible.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Brian Pearce<br>
> <br>
> CLC<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ________________________________<br>
> <br>
> From: vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au<br>
> [<a href="mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au]">mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a>
On Behalf Of ARNOTT Suz<br>
> Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 10:12 AM<br>
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List<br>
> Subject: [vet-mm] changes to training package - any more info?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> After the discussions when the changes came out I have to say I looked<br>
> through the links<br>
> <br>
> <a href="http://www.ibsa.org.au/downloads/CUF07_v1_ma!%0d%0a%20pping_summary.pdf">http://www.ibsa.org.au/downloads/CUF07_v1_mapping_s
ummary.pdf</a><br>
> <br>
> and was waiting to hear which units were likely to be included in the<br>
> VET in schools units....<br>
> <br>
> Well today I got a flyer from edsonic with support materials, and the<br>
> list of units....<br>
> <br>
> Which are definitely reflecting the screen and media. This is all great,<br>
> however, I would love to know what will be expected of us, as the focus<br>
> of the course has changed so much....the students who will be attracted<br>
> to this course are totally different.<br>
> <br>
> Has anyone heard more information?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Suzanne Arnott<br>
> <br>
> ICT Staff Support<br>
> <br>
> Photography and Multimedia Coordinator<br>
> <br>
> Elisabeth Murdoch College<br>
> <br>
> Langwarrin<br>
> <br>
> <br>
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