I have to agree with you Brian and am still surprised that ICT is referred to as an "integrated study" when it part of an interdisciplinary domain (not the same thing). A <a href="http://www.google.com.au/search?hs=oaZ&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%253Aen-US%253Aofficial&q=integrated+VELS+ICT+%252Bsite%253Avcaa.vic.edu.au&btnG=Search&meta=cr%253DcountryAU">
google search</a> for the terms integrated, ICT and VELS will uncover very little. <br><br>Like textiles or woodwork, ICT as a stand-alone subject can exist because it can address the standards
in the Design, Creativity and Technology domain and also standards from other
domains. Schools decide how best to structure their subjects and may continue
to organise curriculum around their current subject selections (or not). This is outlined here<br> <a href="http://vels.vcaa.vic.edu.au/about/faq.html#22">http://vels.vcaa.vic.edu.au/about/faq.html#22</a><br><br>
When a senior administrator asked how many hours of PD would be needed for any teacher to confidently and competently teach and assess the IT standards expected in our curriculum .. I raised my eyebrows and suggested a year of postgraduate tertiary study to secure an appropriate IT subject tag would be a good start. I would have given the same answer if I had been asked to assess the English standards of my year 9 IT students.
<br><br>I am encouraged by the goals of a rich curriculum but have some doubts about assessing students for learning areas beyond my training and competency or curriculum directions to do so.Somebody did mention that this was the case for any year 7 to 10 teacher. Perhaps this marks the birth of the generalist secondary
teacher that can be called forth to teach and assess any topic and
the end of secondary teacher subject tagging..<br><br>Regards Roland<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 24/05/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Brian Pearce</b> <<a href="mailto:BPearce@clc.vic.edu.au">BPearce@clc.vic.edu.au
</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">We have tried to argue our case at our school by making a comparison with English. English is also used across every subject but it still needs to be taught properly by experts in the field. Our other strong argument is that whilst most students will need only a familiarity with ICT in their domestic and working lives, others will be seeking a career in it and must be taught the basics from an early enough age to be able to specialise in it at senoir school. We seem to have made some progress but it is an ongoing battle.
<br><br>Brian Pearce<br>CLC, Eltham.<br><br>________________________________<br><br>From: <a href="mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au">vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> on behalf of claire<br>Sent: Wed 24/05/2006 10:26 AM
<br>To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List<br>Subject: Re: RE: [vet-mm] ICT - VELS<br><br><br><br>It's interesting though that the ICT/MM is still being taught by an expert - a highly trained one at that!<br>My main worry with VELS and abolishing ICT as a separate discipline is that it won't be taught properly (in some cases not at all) and our subject will seriously suffer at the senior levels. Not to mention kids who miss out on such important skills.
<br>I could relate a dozen examples of supposably ICT-savvy colleagues who don't know the first thing about basics like managing files etc etc. I recently showed someone, who I would class as a more ICT literate staff member, how to sort their email by date or sender and they were blown away!!!!!!
<br><br>Claire :-)<br><br><br><br>> Tinkler, Jacquie J <<a href="mailto:tinkler.jacquie.j@edumail.vic.gov.au">tinkler.jacquie.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> God, how I would love to teach primary! Sounds like a great approach and
<br>> a lot of fun. Our difficulty is the huge variation in teachers' skill<br>> level and interest in integrating IT into their classes. We are working<br>> on it, but I don't think we are quite there yet...<br>
><br>> The reporting aspect will be an issue also.<br>><br>> Thanks for your reply and have fun (you lucky thing).<br>><br>> Cheers,<br>><br>> Jacquie Tinkler<br>> Wangaratta High School<br>> Phillipson Street
<br>> Wangaratta<br>> Vic 3677<br>> Ph 03 5723 0500<br>> Fax 03 5723 0546<br>><br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: <a href="mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au">vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au
</a><br>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au">vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] On Behalf Of Mclean, Rachelle L<br>> Sent: Wednesday, 24 May 2006 9:23 AM<br>> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
<br>> Subject: RE: [vet-mm] ICT - VELS<br>><br>> Hey Jacqui,<br>><br>> I'm teaching Multimedia in a primary school this year as a separate<br>> subject.<br>> The way I run it so it is integrated is that every topic I teach has the
<br>> subject matter based on what they are doing in class. Ie. Stop<br>> animation project with dinosaurs as the theme because they have been<br>> doing dinosaurs in class. Reporting then on that domain is my job. The
<br>> classroom teachers don't report on it at all.<br>><br>><br>> Rachelle<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: <a href="mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au">vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au
</a><br>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au">vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] On Behalf Of claire<br>> Sent: Tuesday, 23 May 2006 10:17 AM<br>> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List<br>
> Subject: Re: [vet-mm] ICT - VELS<br>><br>> Hi Jacquie,<br>> I don't think you are alone in this one.<br>> It has been debated on other lists as well (IPM, Year7-10 IT to name 2<br>> of the edulists) Don't have details here but Kevork may be able to point
<br>> you to the appropriate archived thread.<br>><br>> One very potent argument is that schools will have to report on ICT<br>> domain so if you have ICT as a separate subject you have no<br>> problems/issues or confusion assessing and then reporting on it.
<br>> I think schools are going to have enough hassles assessing and reporting<br>> on Communication, Thinking, Interpersonal Development, Personal Learning<br>> etc without throwing another one into the mix.<br>
> Of course, ICT should be used across the curriculum, but removing ICT as<br>> a distinct identity is not the only way to do it.<br>> We have ICT as a distinct subject but the iCT teacher also takes the<br>> class for another subject such as Maths, English, SOSE or Science and
<br>> they integrate the ICT skills through their subject eg look at the<br>> basics of spreadsheets and use these skills in some aspect of their core<br>> class. It seems to work for us.<br>> Claire :-)<br>> PS I hope noone minds an off-topic discussion, because ultimately how
<br>> schools cover the basic skills 7-10 will affect the calibre (and number)<br>> of students we get in VCE.<br>><br>><br>><br>> > Tinkler, Jacquie J <<a href="mailto:tinkler.jacquie.j@edumail.vic.gov.au">
tinkler.jacquie.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > Greetings fellow list members,<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > This question is not specifically multimedia, but there are a lot of
<br>> IT<br>> > teachers/coordinators out there so I hope you will bear with me...<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Our curriculum committee has flagged the possibility of removing IT as<br>> a
<br>> > separate subject at years 8-10 (and it is not taught separately at<br>> year<br>> > 7) because of the VELS approach of integrating ICT into other<br>> subjects.<br>> > I am having to put an argument together to retain IT in the curriculum
<br>> > as a specific subject and was wondering if anyone else had been<br>> through<br>> > a similar process and could share with me their ideas/experience.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Feel free to email me directly (so as not to bother the list with
<br>> > non-multimedia mail!)<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Cheers,<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Jacquie Tinkler<br>> ><br>> > Wangaratta High School<br>> >
<br>> > Phillipson Street<br>> ><br>> > Wangaratta<br>> ><br>> > Vic 3677<br>> ><br>> > Ph 03 5723 0500<br>> ><br>> > Fax 03 5723 0546<br>> ><br>> > <a href="mailto:tinkler.jacquie.j@edumail.vic.gov.au">
tinkler.jacquie.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</a><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ________________________________<br>> ><br>> > From: <a href="mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au">vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au
</a><br>> > [mailto:<a href="mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au">vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] On Behalf Of Chris Ellis<br>> > Sent: Tuesday, 23 May 2006 9:16 AM<br>> > To: 'VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List'
<br>> > Subject: [vet-mm] RE: dreamweaver help<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > If you are using Dreamweaver, begin by setting up the site definition<br>> > first. There is a control panel for site management and a wizard of
<br>> some<br>> > kind to assist. Having the site defined first will help with the<br>> > management of images, file and URL links.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Good luck.<br>> >
<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Chris Ellis<br>> ><br>> > ICT Coordinator<br>> ><br>> > Lorne-Aireys Inlet P-12 College<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ________________________________
<br>> ><br>> > From: <a href="mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au">vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><br>> > [mailto:<a href="mailto:vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au">vet-mm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] On Behalf Of Richmond, Pamela
<br>> M<br>> > Sent: Tuesday, 23 May 2006 9:03 AM<br>> > To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List<br>> > Subject: dreamweaver help<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > In view of Marian's email I hope this reaches everyone!
<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > I have a problem that I hope you can help me with. My Cert III class<br>> has<br>> > done the exercises from Watsonia publishing and they are currently<br>> > planning their "website for a client" Product SAC. However, I am
<br>> > confused about how you set up a site. Do you create the pages first<br>> > (assets etc) and put them in a folder and then create a site using<br>> that<br>> > folder as the root folder or do you do it in another order?
<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > I have the class tomorrow and would appreciate any help.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > I have attached some revision sheets I prepared for the Binary Blue
<br>> > tasks in Web pages and Writing Content & Copy.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Regards,<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Pam<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>
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