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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>There were 3 sessions on the introduction
to VET and two trade exhibitors that dealt with the VET IT. Did you get the
opportunity to go to some of them? If you did you would have seen me. Here is
and overview of the proceedings and the resources will be uploaded shortly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The conference sessions being: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>VCAA
and VCE / VET IT – a most information session by Daryl Sutton (Project
Manager for VET IT @ VCAA), he spoke about the scored assessment aspect of
VET IT and its implementation from a VCAA perspective. Some useful VCAA
documents were given out but one key area was the question of the full
Cert III. He explained that there is a link on the VCAA site in VET IT
explaining how you may RPL some of the required Cert II units for the Cert
III course. The PowerPoint presentation should be uploaded at the
conference site.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Gathering
evidence on-line – a session conducted by myself looking at some
useful tools to gather evidence for the all important audit process associated
with AQTF 2007 requirements. This was a practical session and we even
created a basic wiki and explored some readily available open source
software for capturing video, audio, creating on-line tutorials and other
useful ideas for this process (I will be uploading this resource to the
VITTA conference site)<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>VET
IT for newbies – a session conducted by myself. I created a 25 page
document and associated PowerPoint presentation explaining most elements for
creating a training and assessment environment (some you should know from
your Cert IV TAA training). The handout provides useful links to help you
prepare to deliver the course and the acquisition of materials like
workbooks and texts. (I will be uploading the resource to the VITTA
Conference site). I handed out order forms from key suppliers (who were
exhibitors) at this session. And I did show the participants one of the ‘bibles’
I use the IBSA CD and booklet on the National Training Packages. This
session was reasonable generic and was suitable for those trainers of VET
Multimedia as well. <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Conference Exhibitors:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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– <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Allan Barnes</st1:PersonName>, he was in
the white marquee down near electro board. Allan had samples of the
workbooks he sells. I use his books for two reasons; has a list of
elements for every unit of competence that you can sign off like a logbook
and I use some of the more relevant activities in the delivery of the
course. His work books are great (I have been using them for 7 years now) but
I suggest prepare a course that is more relevant to your students by preparing
a course that incorporates many activities to gather evidence from role
plays, demonstrations etc and use Allan’s books to support this
process. There are some units I use only parts or all workbook activities,
parts of the Tertiary Press text books then many other in-house practical activities.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Pearson-Education
(sole distributors of Tertiary Press books for VET IT); they were opposite
the VITTA stand at the conference. Interesting people as I was speaking to
them on the first day and there was no site of leaflets for VET IT. I
suggested to them it would be useful to promote their books and I did notice
later in the day the pamphlets were there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In response to the question can you do the
full Cert III yes you can providing if you RPL sections of the pre-requisite
Cert II units this last point is most important for AQTF auditing purposes. You
need to know your students had how well they understand the work and can
produce the relevant evidence to support all the elements within the unit of
competence (evidence gathering procedures most important here). I find that
some VCAL students can not cope with the Cert III requirements so I run two
programs the Cert II and partial / full Cert III program. It works quite well
but you need to be reasonably organised to do both at the same time. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Remember we are not delivering a VCAA subject
but a national, industry based subject that has special requirements for
delivery. VCAA only tries to accommodate these units into its program hence
initially the partial Cert III because the initial assumption was you may not
be able to RPL the Cert II units. There are issues still regarding SWL
(Structured Workplace Learning) and student work placement requirements under
the training package that need to be taken into account as well but this is
another discussion point.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Kevork’s VET resource disk available
form VITTA is useful for those running a VCE VET IT program for scored
assessment. The VITTA practice exams are a great resource as well<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hope this helps – it may be useful
to have an asynchronous chat / conference with messenger or communicator (the
latter available to DEECD employees), a conference call using Skype and our web
cams, or utilise VITTA’s access to Elluminate for an additional PD
session.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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vet-it-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-it-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Kent Beveridge<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 2 December 2008
10:14 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Vet
Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [vet-it] Cert III in
IT</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hi Dan,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>A couple of snippets of useful info for
ya...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>1. <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Allan
Barnes</st1:PersonName> has a workbook available for the Cert II / III in I.T.
available and a teacher CD is also available. No doubt others are out
there too, I just arent aware of them...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>2. Online is a variety of useful
stuff...checkout the <a
href="http://mail.stbc.vic.edu.au/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.australia.gov.au"
target="_blank">www.australia.gov.au</a> site and click on the education
and training link to see a host of information rich sites!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I too am running the Cert II/III course
here next year...its not the course itself that's the problem, its the setup
paperwork BEFORE the course starts that is the pain! We are using Allan's
workbooks here for the courses, plus other materials I have sourced from online
sites.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Suggest you go to the <a
href="http://www.NTIS.gov.au">www.NTIS.gov.au</a> site, download the ICA05
package and go from there. It contains all you need for your course. The ref in
point 2 above is worth adding to your favorites list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In answer to your comment about delivery
time..., yes, the Cert III can be done in 2 years, but it is a full on course!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>hope this helps your planning and keep in
touch if you wish to swap ideas...I'm always open to that..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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vet-it-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Dan BUTLER<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tue 12/2/2008 9:42 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> vet-it@edulists.com.au<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [vet-it] Cert III in IT</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hi all, Dan Butler from <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Cranbourne</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">SC</st1:State></st1:place>
here with a question or two that<br>
somebody may be able to help me with.<br>
<br>
We are introducing VET IT next year and enrolling the students in Cert III<br>
IT. We are going to squeeze the Cert III in over two years - is this<br>
possible to do?<br>
<br>
If so, to gain the Cert III what units do they need to complete? The VCAA<br>
VET IT booklet talks about a course for partial completion but we want the<br>
students to do the full thing.<br>
<br>
Do we enrol the kids in Cert III, do the 8 core units of the Cert II and<br>
then do the 5 common core units of Cert III and then the chosen stream<br>
units (we would do the applications stream)?<br>
<br>
I've been given the job of designing the course and have been given little<br>
assistance other than time release. I've found a few resources that look<br>
quite good but can't find much information on the admin/red tape side of<br>
things. Our RTO we are using is a bit hazy on the requirements as well.<br>
<br>
Would greatly appreciate any advice. Also, if there is anyone out there<br>
who would be willing to allow me to visit for a chat, that would be<br>
fantastic.<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
Dan<br>
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Dan Butler<br>
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