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<FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'>Yep I put it around the wrong way. One subject many classes. I am not sure what you mean by form group> By class I mean say Year Seven Maths A. One issue we have found is that teachers who essentially have the same printed report format want slightly different titles on their reports. So instead of Junior Maths they want Junior Applied Maths. To achieve this I create a new subject and it has worked so far. In QuickVic which we are using at the moment, I do not think you can customize class titles directly but only through subjects.<BR>
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On 14/3/07 9:56 PM, "Roland Gesthuizen" <rgesthuizen@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>
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On 14/03/07, <B>Robert Hind</B> <robert@yinnar.com> wrote:<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">You cannot "create ten subjects for each class". <BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">MarkBook, and I also assume QuickVic, allows you to create subjects and then classes for each of the subjects. So you might have a subject called 07MA1 for all year 7 Maths classes in Semester 1 and then have classes called 07MA1A, 07MA1B, etc<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">So be clear what you mean - well what MarkBook means!<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">Else you will be in deep doo-doo<BR>
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Ex Traralgon and Ashwood<BR>
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<B>From:</B> rb <a href="mailto:rob@netspace.net.au"><mailto:rob@netspace.net.au></a> <BR>
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Yes you must differentiate between subjects and classes. Even if you make one subject for each class. Subjects control the formatting and titles on printed reports. So Junior Maths may have ten classes but one subject. Their reports will all be the same. You could however create ten subjects for each class. The top row in quick set up where you confgure report layout is according to my understanding controlled by subjects.<BR>
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On 14/3/07 3:40 PM, "Robert Hind" <robert@yinnar.com> wrote:<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">You can set up <B><U>subjects</U></B> such as 07EN1 for year 7 English semester 1 and have many <B><U>classes</U></B> for that subject, eg 07EN1A, 07EN1B, 07EN1C, 07EN1D, etc.<BR>
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<B>From:</B> Laurie Savage <a href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au"><mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au></a> <BR>
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<B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:37 AM<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">The relationship between subjects to classes is one-to-many, and one-to-many between teachers and classes. You need to be able to identify classes uniquely. We have at least 10 form groups per academic year! <BR>
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<HR ALIGN=CENTER SIZE="3" WIDTH="100%"> </FONT><FONT FACE="Tahoma"><B>From:</B> vels-bounces@edulists.com.au [<a href="mailto:vels-bounces@edulists.com.au]">mailto:vels-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a> <a href="mailto:vels-bounces@edulists.com.au%5D"><mailto:vels-bounces@edulists.com.au%5D></a> <B>On Behalf Of </B>Roland Gesthuizen<BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:02 PM<BR>
<B>To:</B> Victorian Essential Learning Standards<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: [VELS] Quick Vic/Markbook Reporting Administrative Timeline<BR>
<B>Importance:</B> High<BR>
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Quick one Laurie .. do you really need the 07A 07B 07C bits when 07 will do? From what I understand the software sorts out classes / students by teachers for marking anyway and again into students for reports. I suspect that Markbook exports course codes .. not class codes (or are these the same things). <BR>
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Thanks for the cue about the last digit .. notice that the software rolls on a digit for semesters etc so I will add that in for semester length courses.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">07ENGT1 07AEENGT1, 07BENGT1, 07CENGT1 ...<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">10SCIT4 10ASCIT4, 10BSCIT4 etc<BR>
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Regards Roland<BR>
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On 13/03/07, <B>Laurie Savage</B> <sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au> wrote: <BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">Hi Roland:<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">Can I suggest you apply even more detail in the subject naming and set up a reporting period discriminator as the last 1 or 2 characters in your courses' i.d.s. If you are using Markbook it will be much easier to select and lock down reporting periods if you do that.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">Here are a couple of examples<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">07ENGT1 07AEENGT1, 07BENGT1, 07CENGT1 ...<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">10SCIT4 10ASCIT4, 10BSCIT4 etc<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">If you use a system like this then you can do a search for *T4 in the Open/Close subjects panel.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">Are we having fun yet?<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">Cheers, Laurie<BR>
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<HR ALIGN=CENTER SIZE="3" WIDTH="100%"> </FONT><FONT FACE="Tahoma"><B>From:</B> vels-bounces@edulists.com.au [ <a href="mailto:vels-bounces@edulists.com.au]">mailto:vels-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a> <a href="mailto:vels-bounces@edulists.com.au%5D"><mailto:vels-bounces@edulists.com.au%5D></a> <B>On Behalf Of </B>Roland Gesthuizen<BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Saturday, 10 March 2007 10:28 PM<BR>
<B>To:</B> Victorian Essential Learning Standards<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: [VELS] Quick Vic/Markbook Reporting Administrative Timeline<BR>
<B>Importance:</B> High<BR>
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Not so sure about timeline, but at this point I am sorting out the FirstClass database before we start our import of teachers, students and classes. <BR>
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I have been encouraging some extra rigor in our student enrollments, and sorting out all the class codes (you must get these right) We changed from generic names such as "English", "Maths" and "sem2ceramics10" to 07eng, 08mat and 10arcer2 .. details are in the manual / handbook. <BR>
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Hope to finish it all this week so I can start work on our interim report template. Thank goodness it is only a single page template and 500 printouts. At least it sets things up for the mid-year reports.<BR>
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Regards Roland <BR>
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On 10/03/07, <B>kgration@myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au <a href="mailto:kgration@myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au"><mailto:kgration@myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au></a> </B>< kgration@myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au <a href="mailto:kgration@myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au"><mailto:kgration@myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au></a> > wrote: <BR>
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We are runnning Quick Vic @ our school (as many are) for the first time this<BR>
year and was wondering if anyone had any timelines to share from previous year/s<BR>
with regard to the practical use of this package (or Markbook) in their school. <BR>
What I am chasing is detail with regard to reasonable deadlines for staff, for<BR>
myself as the Quick Vic administrator etc. A basic word doc. would do just fine.<BR>
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Cheers,<BR>
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Kim<BR>
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Kim Gration<BR>
ICT Manager<BR>
Myrtleford Secondary College<BR>
<a href="http://www.myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au">http://www.myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au</a><BR>
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