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A good message Andrew. I think your third dot point can't be underestimated. Not only does a teacher need to debug the student's code, but often it is also 'debugging' their ideas first that helps just as much!</div>
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Even with only a dozen students, as they work building their SAT solutions you have to quickly adapt to each student's code and ideas in order to help them and keep them feeling positive about their work. It is challenging at times.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:</b> sofdev <sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au> on behalf of Andrew Shortell <shortell@get2me.net><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 28 July 2022 7:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev@edulists.com.au><br>
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<div class="">When we (YOU) look at up-skilling teachers… </div>
<div class=""><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>•first they need to learn to code </div>
<div class=""><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>•THEN they need to learn to teach coding </div>
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<div class="">each of those is VERY important</div>
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<div class="">I used to teach ( "facilitate learning experiences in a student centred harmonious learning environment” ) </div>
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<div class="">Most of my ideas centred around : build a core and add to it and then add functionality and then reflect on the interface and the modules</div>
<div class="">Most of my things revolved around middle out planning.</div>
<div class="">Students SEEMED to follow the logic of honing in on core functionality and then planning and creating the bits necessary to achieve those functional requirements </div>
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<div class="">Real programmers plan everything before they even write an algorithm - students need to learn what programming is before they can program</div>
<div class="">It has always been my mantra that people (students) learn best by doing, reflecting (HA HA) and then applying forward.</div>
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<div class="">If a large think tank is convened I am happy to contribute before dementia sets in</div>
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<div class="">Reflecting on the current state of teacher employment, we recently advertised and receive 0 applicants. ZERO. I think academia is doing the best it can, but we need to think about this problem a different way. (I'm tempted to quote Einstein here,
but you all know the quote!!). Looking forward, a BETTER solution would be to look to the teachers we have and work upskilling them to deliver our APC courses. </div>
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<div class="">Phil - perhaps you could convene a think tank around this?</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I would be keen to run some teacher training courses to upskill staff to teach Software. I am doing this at Parade College while I support their VCE class one day a week.
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<div class="">I think that would be a pro-active option for the long term to offer assistance to upskill teaching staff around Victoria. I have plenty of resources I am happy to share too, including a VB coding resource I have written. Coding is the main hurdle
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