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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I agree with both Guy and Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I used to work in Industry as a tester, and for me debugging is how you measure how well people understand coding.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Code written can work for the 1 scenario you had in mind but then as you test with scenario 5 or even scenario 25 the code breaks and you don’t even know it until testing ….its also quite a problem
when you have multiple systems you integrate with (in real life) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">My addition to this list – comments in code
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This is done in industry because its how programmers tell and handover their code to other people often on other sides of the world.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">How you explain your logic and thinking and how it integrates with the rest of the code.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Janene<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> sofdev <sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Guy Flaherty<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 29 July 2022 8:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev@edulists.com.au><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] [EXTERNAL SENDER] Re: Software Development position available<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">A good message Andrew. I think your third dot point can't be underestimated. Not only does a teacher need to debug the student's code, but often it is also 'debugging'
their ideas first that helps just as much!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Even with only a dozen students, as they work building their SAT solutions you have to quickly adapt to each student's code and ideas in order to help them and keep them
feeling positive about their work. It is challenging at times.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> sofdev <<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>> on behalf of Andrew Shortell <<a href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net">shortell@get2me.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 28 July 2022 7:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL SENDER] Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Software Development position available</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi All <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Even though I am busy fading into the sunset this email chain is attractive (in the nicest way)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When we (YOU) look at up-skilling teachers… <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">•first they need to learn to code <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">•THEN they need to learn to teach coding <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">•AND they need to learn how to debug students’ code<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">each of those is VERY important<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I used to teach ( "facilitate learning experiences in a student centred harmonious learning environment” ) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">and I am happy to share some of the tasks I used to build student skills<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Most of my ideas centred around : build a core and add to it and then add functionality and then reflect on the interface and the modules<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Most of my things revolved around middle out planning.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Students SEEMED to follow the logic of honing in on core functionality and then planning and creating the bits necessary to achieve those functional requirements <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Real programmers plan everything before they even write an algorithm - students need to learn what programming is before they can program<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It has always been my mantra that people (students) learn best by doing, reflecting (HA HA) and then applying forward.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If a large think tank is convened I am happy to contribute before dementia sets in<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 28 Jul 2022, at 1:14 pm, Adrian Janson <<a href="mailto:janson.adrian.a@gmail.com">janson.adrian.a@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I 100% support Vic's suggestion here. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Reflecting on the current state of teacher employment, we recently advertised and receive 0 applicants. ZERO. I think academia is doing the best it can, but we need to think about this problem a different way. (I'm tempted to quote Einstein
here, but you all know the quote!!). Looking forward, a BETTER solution would be to look to the teachers we have and work upskilling them to deliver our APC courses. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Phil - perhaps you could convene a think tank around this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 12:58 PM Victoria Farrell <<a href="mailto:farrellv@stkevins.vic.edu.au">farrellv@stkevins.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think that would be a pro-active option for the long term to offer assistance to upskill teaching staff around Victoria. I have plenty of resources I am happy to share too, including a VB coding resource I have written. Coding is the
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 at 12:29, Philip Feain <<a href="mailto:Philip.Feain@education.vic.gov.au">Philip.Feain@education.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">I have been asked by a major school (not far from the city and bay) if there are any Software Development teachers who would be available to cover their class after their teaching has become unavailable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">This would be for the rest of the year. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">They are happy to discuss how this could be done understanding that teachers would be full-time in their current school.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">If you are interested and think you could be able to help them out please let me know via my work email or phone. Don’t reply through the lists.<o:p></o:p></p>
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