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Sorry for the cross post . Please ignore if you have seen this already in the Data Analytics forum.</div>
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I thought the story below might be of interest to our SofDev subscribers.</div>
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Happy to discuss these options and pathways further for anyone interested.</div>
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Shrinking VCE Applied Computing numbers is a sad reality for most schools.</div>
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Compare that with our mid 1990s heyday when VCE Processing and Management was the third highest enrolment of any VCE study ( happy to be corrected if I am not 100% correct here ).</div>
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Much effort has been expended in the last decade trying to revive our studies but sadly we haven't found a cure yet.</div>
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At VCE Unit 3-4 we offer Data Analytics, Software Development, HESS Algorithmics, VET IT Certificate II, VET IT Certificate III , VET Cisco. </div>
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VET Cisco counts as <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)"><b>two </b></span>Unit 3-4 credits ( one per year ) and Algorithmics can fast track students in tertiary IT and Computer Science courses.
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt">Quite the feast for the IT lover, spoilt for choice, yet we are undoubtedly shrinking overall. </span><br>
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline!important">I have taught five out of six and been an examiner on the sixth. Very rewarding.</span><br>
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Is there any other field that offers six options at VCE Units 3-4 or VCAL ?</div>
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At Ringwood Training we have managed to help students who would otherwise miss out in their home school through the provision of three VET in Schools courses:</div>
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1. VET Certificate III in IT ( Networking and Cybersecurity ) - can be a scored or a non-scored study</div>
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2. <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline!important">VET Certificate III in IT ( Multimedia and Gaming) <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline!important">- can be a scored or a non-scored study</span></span></div>
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3. VET Cisco CCNA ( Cisco Certified Network Associate ) <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline!important">- only non-scored with a 10% ATAR bonus contribution per year of Cisco.</span></div>
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We tend to have up to 120 students from almost 50 schools in these courses across two year levels of VCE/VET/VCAL. </div>
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt">Without this aggregation I don't know that any one school would find these courses viable sad to say.</span><br>
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Students continue beyond Yr 12 to post school pathways (see attached ) which we often combine with employment usually on a part time basis with our industry contacts. </div>
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I haven't solved your local problems Litsa and Xin, however if the alternative is these students miss out totally,</div>
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt">getting them to a different location will be the smaller of two evils.</span></div>
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Kindest Regards</div>
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Tel 0419 356 034 </div>
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<div class="" style="word-wrap:break-word; line-break:after-white-space">G’day Litsa, i am curious if any institutions are running a distance education version of VET IT. Just curious.
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<div class="">Kevork does this with a team at Ringwood SC. I have met some of his students and they do some great work.
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From: Litsa Tzelepis <<a href="mailto:htzelepis@msj.vic.edu.au" target="_blank" class="">htzelepis@msj.vic.edu.au</a>><br class="">
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I'm just wondering if schools are seeing a drop in Applied Computing and<br class="">
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Final enrolment numbers in AC, DA or SD can vary widely from school to school across different years. It’s complex for a range of reasons. Many years ago I discovered that it mattered how computing was promoted in our school (7-10), how it was perceived by
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