<div dir="ltr">Hi Kevork,<div><br></div><div>We stopped running Data Analytics in 2017 due to a lack of student interest. Now our Software Dev classes are dwindling - kept afloat only by allowing top Year 11s access to the 3/4 subject. A lot of negative feedback from Software Development students identifies the limited amount of actual coding in relation to the amount of project management required. The addition of the Development Model has teachers and students scratching their heads given the limited time frame we have for the SAT. I'm hoping to get the HESS subject up and running in 2023. We have found surveying our best coding students, that Algorithmics is the kind of subject they want to do. Despite trying to 'sex-up' Data Analytics with an eCommerce context (eCommerce has become a very popular Year 10 subject) most are not interested in doing Data Analytics in 3/4 and we can not fill a class.</div><div><br></div><div>I would love to hear from schools who have a strong Data Analytics course each year and how they retain students in that subject.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div>Vic<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><p style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1CX_C7cxq-6LI02k6lCI143-i0KPC5nHv&revid=0B4CjWh8BUhIbdG41cDdhQ2paOVBVa2oxdHZzRmRRTGdKR1c0PQ"></span></p><p style="font-size:12.8px"><i><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"><b>Victoria Farrell</b><br>Head of Technology Department </span></i></p><p style="font-size:12.8px"><i><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">St Kevin's College</span></i><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"><br><i>P 03 9832 4980</i></span></p><p><font face="Trebuchet MS, sans-serif" color="#274e13"><span style="font-size:12px"><i>E <a href="mailto:farrellv@stkevins.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">farrellv@stkevins.vic.edu.au</a></i></span></font></p><div dir="ltr"><i><font color="#274e13" face="arial narrow, sans-serif"><a href="https://www.vicfarrell.com.au/" target="_blank">vicfarrell.com.au</a><span style="font-size:12px"><br></span></font></i></div><div><i><font color="#274e13" face="arial narrow, sans-serif"><a href="https://www.skc3.club/" target="_blank">Computer Club</a></font></i></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 at 12:03, Kevork Krozian <<a href="mailto:kkrozian@rt.vic.edu.au">kkrozian@rt.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Sorry for the cross post . Please ignore if you have seen this already in the Data Analytics forum.</div>
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I thought the story below might be of interest to our SofDev subscribers.</div>
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Happy to discuss these options and pathways further for anyone interested.</div>
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Hi Folks</div>
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Shrinking VCE Applied Computing numbers is a sad reality for most schools.</div>
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Compare that with our mid 1990s heyday when VCE Processing and Management was the third highest enrolment of any VCE study ( happy to be corrected if I am not 100% correct here ).</div>
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Much effort has been expended in the last decade trying to revive our studies but sadly we haven't found a cure yet.</div>
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At VCE Unit 3-4 we offer Data Analytics, Software Development, HESS Algorithmics, VET IT Certificate II, VET IT Certificate III , VET Cisco. </div>
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VET Cisco counts as <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)"><b>two </b></span>Unit 3-4 credits ( one per year ) and Algorithmics can fast track students in tertiary IT and Computer Science courses.
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Quite the feast for the IT lover, spoilt for choice, yet we are undoubtedly shrinking overall. </span><br>
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Is there any other field that offers six options at VCE Units 3-4 or VCAL ?</div>
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At Ringwood Training we have managed to help students who would otherwise miss out in their home school through the provision of three VET in Schools courses:</div>
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3. VET Cisco CCNA ( Cisco Certified Network Associate ) <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">- only non-scored with a 10% ATAR bonus contribution per year of Cisco.</span></div>
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We tend to have up to 120 students from almost 50 schools in these courses across two year levels of VCE/VET/VCAL. </div>
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I haven't solved your local problems Litsa and Xin, however if the alternative is these students miss out totally,</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 17 November 2021 5:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Edulist 12DA <<a href="mailto:informatics@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">informatics@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kevork Krozian <<a href="mailto:kkrozian@rt.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">kkrozian@rt.vic.edu.au</a>><br>
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<div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">G’day Litsa, i am curious if any institutions are running a distance education version of VET IT. Just curious.
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<div>Kevork does this with a team at Ringwood SC. I have met some of his students and they do some great work.
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<div>For others following this thread, check out in the other email that I shared what we do at VSV to support teaching AC, DA and SD for VCE students. <br>
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<div>Regards Roland<br>
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<div>On 17 Nov 2021, at 2:15 pm, Litsa Tzelepis <<a href="mailto:htzelepis@msj.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">htzelepis@msj.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(53,28,117)">Oh wow - we have had this in the past but cancelled the VET IT course - although I think it may suit some of our students who may not wanted to take on the VCE courses.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 2:01 PM Chen, Xin <<a href="mailto:xchen@mazenod.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">xchen@mazenod.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><span style="font-size:12pt">Yes, this is happening. My school is even worse—Applied Computing is replaced by VET IT from Y10 to Y12 now. Such a shame!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 13:08:38 +1100<br>
From: Litsa Tzelepis <<a href="mailto:htzelepis@msj.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">htzelepis@msj.vic.edu.au</a>><br>
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Subject: [Informatics] Class sizes 2022<br>
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Hello <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">🌻</span><br>
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I'm just wondering if schools are seeing a drop in Applied Computing and<br>
Data Analytics numbers for 2022?<br>
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We still have 1 class per year level, but they are slightly smaller than<br>
this year.<br>
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Just checking - thank-you,<br>
I hope all is well <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 13:39:11 +1100<br>
From: Roland Gesthuizen <<a href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com" target="_blank">rgesthuizen@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Informatics] Class sizes 2022<br>
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Final enrolment numbers in AC, DA or SD can vary widely from school to school across different years. It’s complex for a range of reasons. Many years ago I discovered that it mattered how computing was promoted in our school (7-10), how it was perceived by
parents even in the junior year levels (events like Grok challenges or computing clubs) and even, what it was blocked against in the VCE timetable.
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> On 17 Nov 2021, at 1:08 pm, Litsa Tzelepis <<a href="mailto:htzelepis@msj.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">htzelepis@msj.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hello <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">🌻</span><br>
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> I'm just wondering if schools are seeing a drop in Applied Computing and Data Analytics numbers for 2022?<br>
> <br>
> We still have 1 class per year level, but they are slightly smaller than this year.<br>
> <br>
> Just checking - thank-you,<br>
> I hope all is well <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">
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> Litsa<br>
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