<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi All<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I use visual studio on an OLD mac (mid 2012). in the past I used Virtual Box FREE open source</div><div class="">The only issue I ever had was that I had to sleep the virtual windows machine BEFORE i put the mac to sleep</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">After a few years (and a part time job on the side to earn money) I splashed and purchased a VMware licence. It IS better</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">VMware behaves like a mac app and sleeps the virtual machine seamlessly.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The new virtual box appears better than in the old days and it is FREE. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Any students doing sof dev should be able to handle the install themselves without issues</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The old mac has an SSD in the DVD drive position and extra RAM so runs quite well.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Andrew</div><div class="">Sunbury SC for 2020 at 0.7</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 14 Apr 2020, at 1:42 pm, Mike Fitzpatrick <<a href="mailto:michael.fitzpatrick@carey.com.au" class="">michael.fitzpatrick@carey.com.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Hi<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">For a Python GUI the best and simplest is PySimple, it can be learnt and used in 30 minutes. Very suitable for year 12 and down to beginners.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Just download the package into PyCharm – the best of the development software for Python.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Mike<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""> </span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>sofdev <<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Sarah Gale<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, 14 April 2020 1:29 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Computer hardware at home<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Hi all,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">All of my student (Unit 1) are Apple users so it’s been tricky trying to navigate a work around VB which is what I have come to find nearly everyone is using!<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">We are learning Python and we will use Python IDLE and Tkinter for GUI building. Certainly not as intuitive as VB but as we have no Windows machines, I have no choice! They all have Grok subscriptions and have completed the Python courses which a FABULOUS.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">I’d LOVE to hook up with anyone else who is teaching Python – if you’re out there please get in touch!<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Hang in there team!<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; 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text-decoration: underline;" class="">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>> on behalf of Victoria Farrell <<a href="mailto:farrellv@stkevins.vic.edu.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">farrellv@stkevins.vic.edu.au</a>><br class=""><b class="">Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, 14 April 2020 at 1:19 pm<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Computer hardware at home<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I'm going to suggest students with Apple machines who can't run Windows on them, to learn Python on Grok Learning. 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Also, because of ongoing technical issues at the college, they are unable to use the copy available on the VPN.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Is it a requirement of the course that students have hardware at home so that they may practice their coding? 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