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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you very much.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Lucky (for me) with have this forum!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">David.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> sofdev <sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Robert Hallworth<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 11, 2019 10:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev@edulists.com.au><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Assessment of SD requirements<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">Hi David<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">Yes in U3O1 I help them create a tool kit that they can then modify and apply to their SAT.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">Looking down at Criteria 6 “Identifies a comprehensive, systematic and logical plan for organising files or data to allow efficient and secure access. ” I expect my students to have data files and
hence do U3O1 work that teaches storage and retrieval. I see this as the easiest way to satisfy this criteria<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">BUT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">“or data” does leave it open to not having any data stored.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">I would advise a student against a SAT idea that did not store data as I feel it would be much harder to achieve a high. A “complex algorithm” is easier to demonstrate when there is a reasonable
amount of data, Again not the only way to achieve this – creating a simple 3D engine that determines if a spot on the ground is in shadow for a given light source and the position of four corners of a wall would satisfy this with very little data but this
is a much harder problem to code.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">Also in the design stage of creating a folio of alternatives I look at alternatives in<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-AU">User Interface<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:#1F497D;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-AU">Processing methods<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:#1F497D;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-AU">Data Structure<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:#1F497D;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-AU">Storage<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">Again storage types, XML, CSV, DB … gives them more scope in suggesting and justifying alternatives.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#002469"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#002469">Robert Hallworth<br>
</span></b><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#002469">Learning Technology Co-ordinator<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> sofdev <<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David B Thomas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 11 May 2019 10:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Assessment of SD requirements<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Robert,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for that. That’s clear.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So your list is a catch all type list that covers the requirements of the SAT criteria 5 and the SD Programming Requirements?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Supposing that there is no functionality in their proposed software modules to implement storage of the data, presumably you pick that up in the design stage?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your advice.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">David.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> sofdev <<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Hallworth<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 11, 2019 9:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Assessment of SD requirements<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">Hi David<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">I tell my students:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">The complexity of the SAT solution should include:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">Data entry, deletion, editing, storage, retrieval, validation, security, searching and sorting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">To satisfy the SAT criteria 5 requirement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">“Documents the efficient use of a complex algorithm in the solution. “ I expect my students to code and have internal documentation on a QuickSort<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">I then set a series of tasks for U3O1 that cover “Data entry, deletion, editing, storage, retrieval, validation” in preparation for the SAT.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">This is not mandated in the course design but is my way of covering the requirements.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#002469"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#002469">Robert Hallworth<br>
</span></b><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#002469">Learning Technology Co-ordinator<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><img border="0" width="451" height="79" style="width:4.6979in;height:.8229in" id="Picture_x0020_4" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D50852.2D5CE1E0" alt="cid:image011.jpg@01D48E27.ABDF8BD0"></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> sofdev <<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David B Thomas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 11 May 2019 4:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 SofDev] Assessment of SD requirements<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I wonder if I can ask your opinion again.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB">Within the Software Development Programming requirements it lists a number of requirements relating to choosing the programming language. For example: design, construct and use external storage and access technologies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It also says: “For assessment purposes, students must be familiar with all of the listed programming requirements; however, not all requirements must be addressed in each task.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#F2F2F2">Obviously the students must know about the requirements laid out in that requirements document for the exam
<b>but are these requirments necessarily assessed in u3o1 and the SAT? </b>Unless I have missed it I don’t see the statement “The student meets the SD programming requirements” in the Performance Criteria. Is this just implicitly embedded in 5.1 “The student
<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Correctly selects and skillfully applies an extensive range of relevant processing features of the language to develop a correct solution.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#F2F2F2"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hope you can help,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#F2F2F2"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">David.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Due to to the fact that there are two David Thomas’ at RMIT my email changed in early 2019 to:
<a href="mailto:david.b.thomas@rmit.edu.au">david.b.thomas@rmit.edu.au</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:vcecomputing@rmit.edu.au">vcecomputing@rmit.edu.au</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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