<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="color:#351c75">thank-you Gary :-)</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 3:55 PM Bass, Gary S <<a href="mailto:bass.gary.s@edumail.vic.gov.au">bass.gary.s@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Depends on how you approach the coding.</div>
<div>Visual Studio runs quite well in macOS </div>
<div>XAMPP the same</div>
<div>Brackets ditto</div>
<div>GanttChart works well on macOS<br>
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Screenshots of output (windows-prtscrn/cmd-shift-option-4) can be pasted directly into the student blog or Gantt chart </div>
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<div>Visual Basic however does not play nice with macOS</div>
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<div>These have simple work around if you know in advance, or just choose something else.</div>
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<div>I would recommend PHP for Software Development as an excellent introduction to server side applications. An added feature is the close integration with MySQL.</div>
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<div>We regularly have 20% of our students running macOS, otherwise various incantations of winOS. Many on WIN8, occasionally WIN7, in 2018... macOS has a similar spread ElCapitan(10.11), Sierra/HighSierra (10.12/13) and now Mojave(10.14) expect incompatibilities
with 32-64 versions of software and potential image format issues.</div>
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<span>Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] PCs and MAC</span><br>
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<span>Thank-you Benjamin - that sounds very logical and reasonable.</span><br>
<span>I appreciate you getting back to me - many thanks :-)</span><br>
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<span>On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 2:09 PM Benjamin Ratcliffe <</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>I have commenced our headstart program last year using the PCs. Are my</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>this but I’m new to this. Previously we are all Windows.</span><br>
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