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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thought I’d add a little to the conversation, as choosing a language that best suits the students’ needs and the Study Design can be tricky!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Especially when as teachers we don’t have a lot of time to experiment with learning new languages, you often choose a language and stick with it
in fear of the learning curve if you switch to something different!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We do use Python in the junior classes, when teaching coding and robotics.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">However have been teaching PHP in the senior school for quite a few years.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Few reasons we teach PHP:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Supports the 3-tier architecture often used in real-world application development, and which
seems to be suggested through the current study design<br>
</span><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Overview_of_a_three-tier_application_vectorVersion.svg#/media/File:Overview_of_a_three-tier_application_vectorVersion.svg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Overview_of_a_three-tier_application_vectorVersion.svg#/media/File:Overview_of_a_three-tier_application_vectorVersion.svg</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Easy entry-level language<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Easy setup; students install XAMPP<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">etc.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Scaffolded learning across our senior school supports this:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Year 10 students - HTML and CSS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Year 11 Unit 1 – HTML and CSS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Year 11 Unit 2 – PHP with HMTL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Year 12 SAT – HTML+CSS (presentation layer), PHP (logic), mySQL or CSV (data storage layer)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In the SAT project, students can use CSV files or a mySQL database to store their data; whichever best suits their skills and their project requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks to whomever originally shared the Brackets tool – looks great, I will have to investigate if it is better suited for Year 10 than Dreamweaver.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Question – to those who are running a physical/virtual server which students FTP to: do you limit student access to their development files only
while they are at school? Or can they access it externally also.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">While Damien’s original question was about Python scenarios/project ideas, I can share PHP project ideas instead, and would like to add new ideas
to my list too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Lisa Kerekes<br>
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Secondary Teacher<br>
Phone: (03) 9844 2471 Ext: 266<br>
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><img border="0" width="577" style="width:6.0104in" id="_x0000_i1057" src="http://bela.donvale.vic.edu.au/slaask/dcc-sig9.png" alt="http://bela.donvale.vic.edu.au/slaask/dcc-sig9.png"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> sofdev <sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Hallworth<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 November 2018 5:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev@edulists.com.au><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Python SAT Ideas<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi All<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Similar here. PHP and web GUI. Students install XAMMP on their device and we use Dreamweaver as the Development Environment. DW works really well with PHP and
has syntax checking.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I have a virtual windows server setup by IT and give each student a folder on the server. A simple ROBOCOPY batch file is used for students to upload their work
and I have a similar batch file to download that work to my device for checking. This makes it easy to allow students to create what they want and backup easily.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">robocopy "C:\Users\UserABC\OneDrive - WAVERLEY CHRISTIAN COLLEGE\2018\websites" "</span><a href="file://wcc-rh/Share/Computing%20SD/Student%20Name/websites"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">\\wcc-rh\Share\Computing
SD\Student Name\websites</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">" *.* /e /xo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">pause<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I also get them to edit DocumentRoot in their XAMPP Apache http.conf file so that their work can be inside their Onedrive folder as extra protection against loosing
work. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">WARNING In OneDrive, Settings, Untick “Files on Demand” because PHP can’t handle the fact that files may not be physically on the device. You get something like
“error in line 0”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Kind Regards
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#365F91">Robert K Hallworth</span></i></b><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow",sans-serif;color:#365F91">Director of Learning Technology</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> sofdev [</span><a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tony Richardson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 November 2018 9:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List' <</span><a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">sofdev@edulists.com.au</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Python SAT Ideas<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We do a similar thing here with PHP in Unit 2 and SD. Students have XAMPP installed on their computers which they use as a development environment
for their PHP applications..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Completed applications are then uploaded by FTP to the “production” web server environment which is a Linux box in my office running Mint OS. This
server is internal to our network so quite secure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I just had a look at Brackets. With the Emmet plugin installed it’s a great option for HTML/CSS also. We will be using that in future. Thanks for
the tip Gary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> sofdev [</span><a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary Bass<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 2 November 2018 1:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List' <</span><a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">sofdev@edulists.com.au</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Python SAT Ideas<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In a similar vein..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We use PHP because of the range of tools to assist.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Fortunately our techs have setup an XAMP ‘virtual’ server which is isolated from the network.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Permissions need to be changed for school computers to allow admin rights for that application.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We insist that the project be ‘self contained’ so no connections are necessary when running.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Students download and install XAMP, a virtual image can be installed on macOS so no preference settings are changed..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">SQL is included with the install, and works ‘out of the box’…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We use
</span><a href="http://www.brackets.io"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">www.brackets.io</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">
for the editing and formatting/commenting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For small groups Python may be manageable ..but at VCE, it appears to be ‘a heroic endeavour’<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We had considered SWIFT, but like Python is heroic and under developed as a school thing. Great for hobbyists and professionals, but
the hours involved are significantly beyond what can be expected for a VCE study…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We run PHP at Year 11 as well, with few problems after the install stage<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Gary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">SofDev 3-4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Victoria Farrell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 2 November 2018 1:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <</span><a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">sofdev@edulists.com.au</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Python SAT Ideas<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Visual Studio is great for fast GUI development which is why I have never used Python for VCE. Ideally I'd like to make a web interface but server side programming requires a web server (AMP) which our administrators will not allow on the
network. I'm setting up an e-commerce site teaching HTML, CSS, PHP and MySQL - but the students need to run it on their own personal machines.
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's a real problem with Python. When they develop an easy to use GUI builder I'll use it... in the meantime VB and C++ works fine.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Let me know how you go with Python.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 11:59 AM ATKINSON-BUCK, Damien <<a href="mailto:Damien.ATKINSON-BUCK@ivanhoe.com.au">Damien.ATKINSON-BUCK@ivanhoe.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Sorry if this has been asked before, but I am in the process of transitioning from
<a href="http://VB.NET" target="_blank">VB.NET</a> this year to Python for next year. Whilst I am quite enjoying the challenge, I am constantly trying to think of things that are worth doing for student SATs. Obviously not to say this is what you must do, but
more to give them some ideas and to guide them into what is/isn’t achievable. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Am wondering if anyone out there who had students use Python this year would be willing to share some ideas and issues they encountered.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks in advance<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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