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Perhaps samples of the use of Python could be posted here for me to add to the resources on Edulists.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In a similar vein..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We use PHP because of the range of tools to assist.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Fortunately our techs have setup an XAMP ‘virtual’ server which is isolated from the network.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We insist that the project be ‘self contained’ so no connections are necessary when running.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We use www.brackets.io for the editing and formatting/commenting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For small groups Python may be manageable ..but at VCE, it appears to be ‘a heroic endeavour’<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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the hours involved are significantly beyond what can be expected for a VCE study…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We run PHP at Year 11 as well, with few problems after the install stage<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Victoria Farrell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 2 November 2018 1:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev@edulists.com.au><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Visual Studio is great for fast GUI development which is why I have never used Python for VCE. Ideally I'd like to make a web interface but server side programming requires a web server (AMP) which our administrators will not allow on the
network. I'm setting up an e-commerce site teaching HTML, CSS, PHP and MySQL - but the students need to run it on their own personal machines.
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's a real problem with Python. When they develop an easy to use GUI builder I'll use it... in the meantime VB and C++ works fine.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Let me know how you go with Python.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 11:59 AM ATKINSON-BUCK, Damien <<a href="mailto:Damien.ATKINSON-BUCK@ivanhoe.com.au">Damien.ATKINSON-BUCK@ivanhoe.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Sorry if this has been asked before, but I am in the process of transitioning from
<a href="http://VB.NET" target="_blank">VB.NET</a> this year to Python for next year. Whilst I am quite enjoying the challenge, I am constantly trying to think of things that are worth doing for student SATs. Obviously not to say this is what you must do, but
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