<html><body style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">Hello all<div><br /></div><div>I agree Kevork, it's complicated.</div><div>Just to throw in some more technological confusion, I had range issues with my wireless network at home. The internet connected tv in the lounge room was on the borderline of the modem's range - reception was dodgy. Went to JB HiFi and bought a pair of D-link Powerlines (just under $200, so not necessarily cheap), plugged one into the AC where the modem was, plugged the other into the tv's AC, connected the data links at each end, pressed a couple of buttons and problem solved - a wired network through the AC wiring of the house.</div><div><br /></div><div>Regards</div><div>Robert T-A</div><div><blockquote><br />----- Original Message -----<br /><div style="width:100%;background:rgb(228,228,228);"><div style="font-weight:bold;">From:</div> "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List" <sofdev@edulists.com.au></div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">To:</div>"sofdev@edulists.com.au" <sofdev@edulists.com.au><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</div>Tue, 4 Sep 2018 02:51:28 +0000<br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</div>Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Curious Question<br /><br /><br /><div dir="ltr">
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Hi Folks, </div>
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The question is far too general in nature as one can have a very simple wireless network and a very complex wired network and vice versa.</div>
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Generally for home and SOHO use I would think wireless is pretty straightforward for a basic setup ( DHCP, dynamic IP address for the internet, WPA2 encryption, SSID broadcast ).</div>
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I am thinking about 10 minutes ?? Time required and complexity increase as the security requirement increases from this point on.</div>
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For a wired network one still needs to set up <font face="Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,EmojiFont,Apple Color Emoji,Segoe UI Emoji,NotoColorEmoji,Segoe UI Symbol,Android Emoji,EmojiSymbols" size="2"><span style="font-size:16px;">DHCP, dynamic IP address for
the internet but not WPA2 encryption and SSID broadcast </span></font></div>
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If port forwarding is needed it is required regardless which of wired/wireless is used.</div>
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All in all, wireless has become a lot easier to set up and use. Wired is costly ( $150 - $200 per connection point ) and less flexible.</div>
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A wired network can have 802.1x security for the port a device connects to requiring some work to configure correctly, based on either machine or user authentication or no security at all.</div>
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Repeat after me - </div>
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wired simple, wireless complex .... not necessarily ( see above )</div>
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tunneling means increased security - not necessarily (GRE tunnels are clear text )</div>
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username and password increase security - yes, but if sent in clear text, they can be sniffed and captured.</div>
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All in all it would do our students a better service to discuss the parameters of general statements such as the ones here.</div>
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My 2c ..</div>
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<div>Kevork Krozian</div>
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<hr style="width:98%;" /><div dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt;"><b>From:</b> sofdev <sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au> on behalf of Vella, James <jvella@mackillop.vic.edu.au><br /><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 4 September 2018 12:42:18 PM<br /><b>To:</b> sofdev@edulists.com.au<br /><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Curious Question</font>
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</span></font><div class="PlainText">With advances in networking technologies, the question could elicit a correct response in both camps.<br /><br />
A simple wired network can be setup between two devices by simply connecting two devices with a NIC/Ethernet ports using an Ethernet cable. No need for a switch.<br /><br />
A simple wireless network can be setup by connecting devices to a 'personal hotspot'.<br /><br />
Also depends on how you define easier....<br /><br />
Cheers<br /><br />
JV<br /><br />
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You can't have wireless network without wired network. Wireless has to be wired somewhere.<br /><br />
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From: sofdev <sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au> On Behalf Of Baas, Benjamin B<br />
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Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Curious Question<br /><br />
Hi all,<br /><br />
If a student asked you which was easier to setup a wired network or a wireless network what would your answer be?<br /><br />
I chose wired<br /><br />
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