<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /></head><body><div data-html-editor-font-wrapper="true" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Hi Robert<br><br> Yes, the powerline solution is so versatile and I have used it in my house too.<br><br>What is amazing is that networking students learn that data cables ( the blue ethernet unshielded twisted pair UTP type ) must be kept away from power lines to prevent interference. Yet here we have powerlines themselves extending a data cable .....<br><br><br>Speak soon<br>Kevork <br><br>September 4, 2018 7:56 PM, <a target="_blank" tabindex="-1" href="mailto:timmer@westnet.com.au">timmer@westnet.com.au</a> wrote:<br> <blockquote><div><div style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size: 12px">Hello all<div></div> <div>I agree Kevork, it's complicated.</div> <div>Just to throw in some more technological confusion, I had range issues with my wireless network at home. The internet connected tv in the lounge room was on the borderline of the modem's range - reception was dodgy. Went to JB HiFi and bought a pair of D-link Powerlines (just under $200, so not necessarily cheap), plugged one into the AC where the modem was, plugged the other into the tv's AC, connected the data links at each end, pressed a couple of buttons and problem solved - a wired network through the AC wiring of the house.</div> <div></div> <div>Regards</div> <div>Robert T-A</div> <div> <blockquote> <br>----- Original Message -----<div style="width: 100%;background: rgb(228,228,228)"> <div style="font-weight: bold">From:</div>"Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List" <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>></div> <div style="font-weight: bold">To:</div>"<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>" <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><div style="font-weight: bold">Cc:</div> <div style="font-weight: bold">Sent:</div>Tue, 4 Sep 2018 02:51:28 +0000<div style="font-weight: bold">Subject:</div>Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Curious Question<br><br> <div dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr" style="font-size: 12pt;color: #000000;font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">Hi Folks,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"></div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">The question is far too general in nature as one can have a very simple wireless network and a very complex wired network and vice versa.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">Generally for home and SOHO use I would think wireless is pretty straightforward for a basic setup ( DHCP, dynamic IP address for the internet, WPA2 encryption, SSID broadcast ).</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">I am thinking about 10 minutes ?? Time required and complexity increase as the security requirement increases from this point on.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"></div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">For a wired network one still needs to set up <font face="Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,EmojiFont,Apple Color Emoji,Segoe UI Emoji,NotoColorEmoji,Segoe UI Symbol,Android Emoji,EmojiSymbols" size="2"><span style="font-size: 16px">DHCP, dynamic IP address for the internet but not WPA2 encryption and SSID broadcast </span></font> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">If port forwarding is needed it is required regardless which of wired/wireless is used.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"></div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">All in all, wireless has become a lot easier to set up and use. Wired is costly ( $150 - $200 per connection point ) and less flexible.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"></div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">A wired network can have 802.1x security for the port a device connects to requiring some work to configure correctly, based on either machine or user authentication or no security at all.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"></div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">Repeat after me -</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"></div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">wired simple, wireless complex .... not necessarily ( see above )</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">tunneling means increased security - not necessarily (GRE tunnels are clear text )</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">username and password increase security - yes, but if sent in clear text, they can be sniffed and captured.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"></div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">All in all it would do our students a better service to discuss the parameters of general statements such as the ones here.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"></div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"></div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"></div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, serif, EmojiFont;font-size: 16px;margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px">My 2c ..</div> <div></div> <div><div style="font-family: Tahoma;font-size: 13px"> <div>Kevork Krozian</div> <div>Ringwood SC</div> <div>tel: 0419 356 034</div> </div></div> </div> <hr style="width: 98%"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size: 11pt"><b>From:</b> sofdev <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>> on behalf of Vella, James <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:jvella@mackillop.vic.edu.au">jvella@mackillop.vic.edu.au</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 4 September 2018 12:42:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Curious Question</font><div></div> </div> </div> <font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt"> </span></font><div>With advances in networking technologies, the question could elicit a correct response in both camps.<br><br>A simple wired network can be setup between two devices by simply connecting two devices with a NIC/Ethernet ports using an Ethernet cable. No need for a switch.<br><br>A simple wireless network can be setup by connecting devices to a 'personal hotspot'.<br><br>Also depends on how you define easier....<br><br>Cheers<br><br>JV<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: sofdev <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>> On Behalf Of <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:sofdev-request@edulists.com.au">sofdev-request@edulists.com.au</a><br>Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2018 12:11 PM<br>To: <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a><br>Subject: sofdev Digest, Vol 160, Issue 5<br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br>1. Re: Curious Question (Gerges, Samy S)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 02:10:23 +0000<br>From: "Gerges, Samy S" <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:gerges.samy.s@edumail.vic.gov.au">gerges.samy.s@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>><br>To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br><<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Curious Question<br>Message-ID:<br><<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:4291E9A685D7684EB21965809E7B859BC1E728DC@EDUMBX10.education.vic.gov.au">4291E9A685D7684EB21965809E7B859BC1E728DC@EDUMBX10.education.vic.gov.au</a>><br><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>You can't have wireless network without wired network. 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