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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Tony,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Yes, it’s tight, but I’ve got time on that day and the next to get the marking and the results in. (The first 3 sections will be done,
so it’s only the designs I will need to assess, and I only have a class of 9 students.) My school knows this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I also reserve the right to adjust the key dates – it means the students will have to adjust their project plans. ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tony Crewe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 16 March 2017 10:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev@edulists.com.au><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Timeline for SAT Part 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Chris,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Review your timelines esp Design.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Marks need to be given for SAT criteria 1 – 4 June 14.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Likely your school will want them a week before that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Tony<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Reply-To: </b>Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 16 March 2017 at 10:20 am<br>
<b>To: </b>Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Timeline for SAT Part 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi All,</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">My key dates:</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">They need to know the dates for their project planning, and I expect that they interpret these dates as milestones (ie,
I just tell them to use the dates for their project plan, but I don’t tell them how they should use them). Their job is then to fill in the tasks around them.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards,</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Esther ANDREWS<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 16 March 2017 8:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Timeline for SAT Part 1</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Hi all,</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Like Claudia I found students needed those intermediary due dates. I have broken the Unit 3 SAT up into three sections with due dates.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">In planning their Gantt charts they needed those due dates and also needed to know when I would be covering topics in class so they knew the earliest that they could start that section
of their Plan. I wonder how specific we can be about these dates. There has to be some leeway for the students to choose each task's beginning and duration.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Did anyone else worry about that?</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">How have you approached it?</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Hi Graeme,<br>
My students have handed in PM, and draft of data collection methods this week, data processing before end of term, draft of SRS first week back, complete SRS second week, designs end of May.<br>
Last year I had it all come in at end, and my students demanded incremental completion dates this year, many had done Informatics which had worked the same way last year and they indicated that was problematic as they needed more structure. With a small group
(6) I was happy to collect all at the end but went with there request.<br>
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But I have added 'low stakes' hurdle tasks along the way to help with learning, ie tests on PM, PMS, analysis, etc<br>
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Claudia<br>
Overnewton College<br>
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On 15 Mar 2017, at 10:52 PM, Forrester, Graeme G <<a href="mailto:forrester.graeme.g@edumail.vic.gov.au%3cmailto:forrester.graeme.g@edumail.vic.gov.au">forrester.graeme.g@edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:forrester.graeme.g@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Hi<br>
Can anyone share their progressive timeline of handup dates and tasks for the first part of the SAT that they are giving to the students?<br>
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Kindest Regards Graeme.<br>
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