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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Geoff hit the nail on the head. His response is pretty well a prefect explanation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Sorry Robert, mostly correct but there is no specific approved languages now (that the old study design) only needed features/requirements. The
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requirements</a><span style="color:#1F497D"> now allows for multiple different languages (and technologies) to be used to complete their solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Hind<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 17 February 2017 10:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Student query<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">I have never taught Software Development. However I would think that using different languages in a SAC would be fine, so long as they were approved
languages. </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">Sure the same task under the same conditions but using any one of the approved languages.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">Robert Hind</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">Ex Traralgon and Ashwood</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">Retired</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">
<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Darren Scott<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 17 February 2017 9:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Student query</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">I</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">’</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">ve got the same understanding as Geoff. SACs must be under
the exact same conditions for all students in the cohort to enforce fairness and equity (aside from the special conditions that your VCE coordinator applies for, like rest breaks, printing on a different colour page, etc.).
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">For the SAT there</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">’</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">s more room of choice, a bit like the design
& tech kids who can choose to work in metal, plastic and/or wood.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">Also pointing out dot point 3 in the SAT authentication procedures:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">3. Undue assistance should not occur at any time during the development of the body of work, and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">teachers need to be vigilant. Students are required to demonstrate development of their thinking<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">and working practices. Teachers are reminded that it is not appropriate to provide ‘detailed advice<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">on, corrections to, or actual reworking of students’ work’.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">If you feel like you can</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">’</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">t authenticate a C++ program you can
say no, but if your concern is that you won</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">’</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">t be able to help with every little piece of code, well you</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">’</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">re
not actually allowed to do that anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">
<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matheson, Geoff J<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 17, 2017 9:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Student query<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Fatima, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At the risk of getting in before the people with titles to back them up – I’m pretty sure this is the go:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Approving a students’ proposal for the SAT is at the teachers’ discretion, and as such probably comes down to whether you are confident you can understand the C++ code well enough to assess his work, and whether his skills in the language are going to be sufficient
to meet the criteria without the support & resources that would come with doing the same as the rest of the class.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But while there’s nothing stopping a student using a different language on the SAT, I’m pretty sure the student should be doing the SAC work in the same language. But I’m less confident of that one.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Geoff Matheson</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">From: </span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black"><</span><a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au"><span lang="EN-GB">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</span></a><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">>
on behalf of Fatima Nazar <</span><a href="mailto:fnazar@salesian.vic.edu.au"><span lang="EN-GB">fnazar@salesian.vic.edu.au</span></a><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <</span><a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au"><span lang="EN-GB">sofdev@edulists.com.au</span></a><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, 17 February 2017 at 8:44 am<br>
<b>To: </b>Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <</span><a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au"><span lang="EN-GB">sofdev@edulists.com.au</span></a><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Year 12 SofDev] Student query</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Good morning and happy Friday to all!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I have a student in my SD class who wants to do all his SAC/SAT work in C++. Our school however is using Visual Basic. Is it okay for him to use C++?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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