<div dir="ltr">Please come in. Sit down. <div>Don't step on the cat.<div>And don't take any of my cows. I've counted them.<br></div><div><div><br></div><div>Let me take your hand. Yes. I can see by your palm that you are troubled.</div><div>A loved one has died? No?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ah, now I see. </div><div>You cannot tell the difference between <i>accuracy</i> and <i>correctness</i>.<br></div><div>There's a lot of that going around.</div><div><br></div><div><div>Let me consult my crystal ball... </div><div>I see someone called 'VCAA'. Your spouse? No? It's a strange name. Is it Italian?<br></div><div>Ah. Now it all becomes clear. I can <b>see the future</b>.<br></div><div><div><br></div><div><spooky voice></div><div><div><ul><li><b>Prediction 1</b>: VCAA is <i>never</i> going to explain the difference between accuracy and correctness. Because they can't, in any sensible way.<br></li><li><b>Prediction 2</b>: Instead, to avoid a sticky exam moment, VCAA will <i>never</i> directly examine students on accuracy vs correctness*.<br></li><li><b>Prediction 3</b>: The next study design will quietly edit out the accuracy/correctness awkwardness.<br></li></ul></div><div></spooky voice></div><div><br></div><div>Now, please cross my palm with silver before you leave the tent.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Madame Mark, the Mysterious.<br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div>* But I'd love to see them try. <br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 3 September 2016 at 18:36, Tony Crewe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:TonyCrewe@caulfieldgs.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">TonyCrewe@caulfieldgs.vic.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>It does not really matter we we all think (2c or otherwise), saying correct and accurate are the same is not helpful.</div>
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<div>The study design dot point on key knowledge ....</div>
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<div>"characteristics of data that has integrity, including accuracy, timeliness, reasonableness, authenticity, correctness"</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So we need to advise our students about these five characteristics. </div>
<div>Can we get some clarification from vcaa about this?</div>
<div>Potentially an Exam case study question could ask about different characteristics of data. I hope not.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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Tony Crewe</font></span></div><div><div class="h5">
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On 3 Sep 2016, at 6:21 PM, "<a href="mailto:timmer@westnet.com.au" target="_blank">timmer@westnet.com.au</a>" <<a href="mailto:timmer@westnet.com.au" target="_blank">timmer@westnet.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Add another 2 cents to the pile.</div>
<div>I tend to agree with Robert that in the context of data integrity 'correctness' and 'accuracy' are more or less synonymous, but they each do have a different feel to them. "The correctness of the data was called into question" versus "The accuracy of the
data was called into question" - maybe it's just me, but 'correctness' has a more holistic feel to it, while 'accuracy' feels much more specific somehow. Hopefully students will never be asked to pin down the subtle distinction</div>
<div>In light of the discussion so far, I can't resist this entry from a 1926 Webster's Dictionary in my possession:</div>
"<b>Correct</b>, <b>Accurate</b>, <b>Exact</b>, <b>Precise</b>, <b>Nice</b> agree in the idea of conformity to standard, fact, or truth.
<b>Correct</b>, the most colorless term, denotes scarcely more than freedom from fault or error, as judged by some (usually) conventional or acknowledged standard; as, <i>correct</i> dress, style, deportment; ...
<b>Accurate</b> implies, more positively, conformity to fact or truth attained by the exercise of care; as, an
<i>accurate</i> investigation, statement, observer. ... <b>Exact</b> emphasizes the strictness or rigor of the agreement, which neither exceeds nor falls short of the fact of standard; ...
<b>Precise</b> stresses rather sharpness of definition or delimitation, or scrupulous exactness of conformity to the standard as often verges on excess; ...
<b>Nice</b> implies still greater, occasionally excessive, fineness or delicacy of observation or discrimination ...<br>
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Hi all, my 2c worth again - from the perspective of working with data and on<br>
database design since the early 90s.<br>
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We are talking here about data integrity.<br>
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We are not talking about the accuracy or precision of measurements in terms<br>
number of significant figures or decimal places.<br>
We are not talking about data formats, eg dd/mm/yyyy versus mm/dd/yyyy or<br>
yyyy/mm/dd<br>
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Andrew's example of stating his height as 1.564334m IS a measurement<br>
"accurate" to 6 decimal places but it is not accurate/correct as a statement<br>
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I still consider correctness and accuracy as being synonymous terms when<br>
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Hi all,<br>
I have spoken about accuracy in terms of precision.<br>
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I could say I am about 1.8 metres tall. That is correct, but not accurate.<br>
I could say I am 1.564334 metres tall. That is accurate, but not correct.<br>
Each situation will require a different level of accuracy that is acceptable<br>
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Can't think of a situation where accuracy is important but correctness not.<br>
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And I teach them that dates recorded in this format in a file-naming<br>
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Sorry I did mean the opposite! Big week.<br>
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Try again??.<br>
I taught my kids that if you are asked for a date in DD/MM/YYY format in a<br>
program then whilst ?1st of September 2016? is accurate, writing 01/09/2016<br>
is correct.<br>
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I'd say the opposite.<br>
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I don't think this question is ever going to be answered until we have a<br>
plebiscite, a Royal Commission or at least a dance-off competition.<br>
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I taught my kids that if you are asked for a date in DD/MM/YYY format in a<br>
program then whilst ?1st of September 2016? is technically correct, writing<br>
01/09/2016 is accurate.<br>
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Mistake???<br>
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I have read Mark's views on this<br>
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Don't think they helped :-)<br>
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I think they are essentially synonymous:<br>
eg my phone number is 0477999111 is both accurate and correct.<br>
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Hi all,<br>
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As part of the five characteristics of data integrity we have both accuracy<br>
and correctness; how do we differentiate the two of these?<br>
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