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about completeness with your class as much as you want, but the only ones that will/could appear on a VCAA exam are accuracy, timeliness, reasonableness, authenticity, and correctness.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I did have a dumb thought … could correctness be considered a container for the others? Would a student be considered
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mel Yuan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 7 September 2016 3:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev@edulists.com.au><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different between accuracy andcorrectness<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hate to be a spoilsport because this discussion is so much fun, but if you look at the KK it does say “including …” which I read as “including, but not limited to …” .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You could round-up a bunch of definitions of data quality/ data integrity and they would have various combinations and permutations of definitions. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers, Mel<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 7 Sep 2016, at 2:59 pm, Mark <<a href="mailto:mark@vceit.com">mark@vceit.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ah, now I see. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You cannot tell the difference between <i>accuracy</i> and <i>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There's a lot of that going around.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Let me consult my crystal ball... <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I see someone called 'VCAA'. Your spouse? No? It's a strange name. Is it Italian?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ah. Now it all becomes clear. I can <b>see the future</b>.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Prediction 1</b>: VCAA is <i>never</i> going to explain the difference between accuracy and correctness. Because they can't, in any sensible way.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">
<b>Prediction 2</b>: Instead, to avoid a sticky exam moment, VCAA will <i>never</i> directly examine students on accuracy vs correctness*.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">
<b>Prediction 3</b>: The next study design will quietly edit out the accuracy/correctness awkwardness.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now, please cross my palm with silver before you leave the tent.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">* But I'd love to see them try. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 3 September 2016 at 18:36, Tony Crewe <<a href="mailto:TonyCrewe@caulfieldgs.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">TonyCrewe@caulfieldgs.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It does not really matter we we all think (2c or otherwise), saying correct and accurate are the same is not helpful.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The study design dot point on key knowledge ....<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"characteristics of data that has integrity, including accuracy, timeliness, reasonableness, authenticity, correctness"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So we need to advise our students about these five characteristics. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can we get some clarification from vcaa about this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Potentially an Exam case study question could ask about different characteristics of data. I hope not.<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 3 Sep 2016, at 6:21 PM, "<a href="mailto:timmer@westnet.com.au" target="_blank">timmer@westnet.com.au</a>" <<a href="mailto:timmer@westnet.com.au" target="_blank">timmer@westnet.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Add another 2 cents to the pile.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I tend to agree with Robert that in the context of data integrity 'correctness' and 'accuracy' are more or less synonymous, but they each do have a different feel to them. "The correctness of the data was called into question" versus "The
accuracy of the data was called into question" - maybe it's just me, but 'correctness' has a more holistic feel to it, while 'accuracy' feels much more specific somehow. Hopefully students will never be asked to pin down the subtle distinction<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In light of the discussion so far, I can't resist this entry from a 1926 Webster's Dictionary in my possession:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"<b>Correct</b>, <b>Accurate</b>, <b>Exact</b>, <b>Precise</b>,
<b>Nice</b> agree in the idea of conformity to standard, fact, or truth. <b>Correct</b>, the most colorless term, denotes scarcely more than freedom from fault or error, as judged by some (usually) conventional or acknowledged standard; as, <i>correct</i> dress,
style, deportment; ... <b>Accurate</b> implies, more positively, conformity to fact or truth attained by the exercise of care; as, an
<i>accurate</i> investigation, statement, observer. ... <b>Exact</b> emphasizes the strictness or rigor of the agreement, which neither exceeds nor falls short of the fact of standard; ...
<b>Precise</b> stresses rather sharpness of definition or delimitation, or scrupulous exactness of conformity to the standard as often verges on excess; ...
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<p class="MsoNormal">Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different between accuracy andcorrectness<br>
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PS - It is woth noting that most writing on data integrity refers to<br>
"accuracy and consistency" and does not mention "correctness"<br>
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Hi all, my 2c worth again - from the perspective of working with data and on<br>
database design since the early 90s.<br>
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We are talking here about data integrity.<br>
<br>
We are not talking about the accuracy or precision of measurements in terms<br>
number of significant figures or decimal places.<br>
We are not talking about data formats, eg dd/mm/yyyy versus mm/dd/yyyy or<br>
yyyy/mm/dd<br>
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Andrew's example of stating his height as 1.564334m IS a measurement<br>
"accurate" to 6 decimal places but it is not accurate/correct as a statement<br>
of his height.<br>
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I still consider correctness and accuracy as being synonymous terms when<br>
talking about data integrity.<br>
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Hi all,<br>
I have spoken about accuracy in terms of precision.<br>
<br>
I could say I am about 1.8 metres tall. That is correct, but not accurate.<br>
I could say I am 1.564334 metres tall. That is accurate, but not correct.<br>
Each situation will require a different level of accuracy that is acceptable<br>
or expected.<br>
Can't think of a situation where accuracy is important but correctness not.<br>
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And I teach them that dates recorded in this format in a file-naming<br>
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Sorry I did mean the opposite! Big week.<br>
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Try again??.<br>
I taught my kids that if you are asked for a date in DD/MM/YYY format in a<br>
program then whilst ?1st of September 2016? is accurate, writing 01/09/2016<br>
is correct.<br>
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I'd say the opposite.<br>
<br>
I don't think this question is ever going to be answered until we have a<br>
plebiscite, a Royal Commission or at least a dance-off competition.<br>
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Regards,<br>
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I taught my kids that if you are asked for a date in DD/MM/YYY format in a<br>
program then whilst ?1st of September 2016? is technically correct, writing<br>
01/09/2016 is accurate.<br>
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Mistake???<br>
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I have read Mark's views on this<br>
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Don't think they helped :-)<br>
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I think they are essentially synonymous:<br>
eg my phone number is 0477999111 is both accurate and correct.<br>
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Hi all,<br>
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As part of the five characteristics of data integrity we have both accuracy<br>
and correctness; how do we differentiate the two of these?<br>
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