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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks Mel,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Yeah, I reassessed what the students should be capable of and several changed their focus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mel Yuan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 30 April 2016 8:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year Mailing List 12 Software Development Teachers' <sofdev@edulists.com.au><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] SAT Data Collection queries and issues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Michael,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At our school, 4 are investigating a business that a family member or friend is involved in, and 3 are doing something with a teacher. This somewhat mitigates the risk of lack of client contact. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve told them that they need to book weekly/ fortnightly meetings with their client across the whole term. I figure their U3O2 assessment will be as good as it’s going to be, but I don’t see there is any reason why they can’t continue
to communicate with their client all the way into U4O1. Just because the assessment is Waterfall it doesn’t mean the students can’t be a bit more Agile when they start their build. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If they are developing a product, and not responding to a client’s needs, they can always do market research, customer surveys, competitor analysis, prototype testing, etc. as their data gathering. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We went on a field trip into a software house and the Development Manager told the students who went that they should work on their communication skills alongside their programming skills. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers, Mel<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 24 Apr 2016, at 9:17 am, Cope, Michael S <<a href="mailto:cope.michael.s@edumail.vic.gov.au">cope.michael.s@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hello,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I have a small group of SD students located in a (relatively) county area of Kooweerup. Whilst most of the students have valid ideas for their SAT, they are really struggling with the concept
of gathering meaningful data from a real life situation. Most live in isolated areas and do not regularly interact with people who they can form a professional(?) relationship with. I have read with interest the notes from Lisa Keretes (thank you Lisa) posted
after her holiday meeting and will go back to my students with these suggestions, but I feel that this part of the SAT is placing a lot of unnecessary stress on my students. I understand that the first part of the SAT can be marked/corrected prior to moving
towards the second part, with corrections/suggestions by the teacher given out so as not to unduly penalise students for a poor start, but how can a teacher make up for poor data collection without making it up?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">How are other teachers coping with this situation?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Mike Cope</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Kooweerup Secondary College</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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