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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If the students don’t have a need to use sort or search in the SAT could you not have them create a short example of sorting as another
piece of work in class so you can still say they have done it and they can still get an S for the outcome?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Why use sort when most languages have an inbuilt soft function? But that’s an argument for a different day.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brett Fitzsimmons<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 13 March 2016 2:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev@edulists.com.au><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Question Re SAT need/opportunity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have had students implement searching as part of interpreting algorithms and plan to do the same with sorting, but I still don’t see how we can mandate that students implement searching and sorting as part of a solution to the SAT. We
certainly don’t demand that they use switch statements in preference to if:else statements or what loop structures they use.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It would almost seem silly demanding they maintain sorted data for most solutions given the size or complexity of program they will have time or skill to complete. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If they use XML documents or a database then sorting is not really necessary in many languages.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What if students use built in libraries to implement sorting? We don’t exclude them from using string functions and make them implement those themselves?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have approached searching in terms of algorithmic complexity and have included it in one of the Unit 3 modules.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For Unit 3 SAT my interpretation was that students need to have completed algorithms as part of the detailed design so if sorting is in Unit 4 how can it be included in the design - no sorting means no binary searching.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If we do need to have students implement procedures such as sorting and searching as part of their SAT we need to be able to tell them before the end of Unit 3.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Brett<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9 Mar 2016, at 10:02 PM, Mary Ho <<a href="mailto:homn@aquinas.vic.edu.au">homn@aquinas.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for this. My student is creating it in <a href="http://vb.net">
VB.Net</a>. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've pointed him to some tutorials so hopefully he can work it out. <o:p></o:p></p>
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On Tuesday, 8 March 2016, Guy Flaherty <<a href="mailto:Guy.Flaherty@xavier.vic.edu.au">Guy.Flaherty@xavier.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Mary,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Rendering pdf files inside an application will really depend on the environment the student is using. If the student has access to a web view object,
something that can display html, it should be possible to display the file. The student may be able to leverage a control that opens the installed web browser on the target machine and uses that for the display, for example. Otherwise, if they can display
a html page through some kind of html control, they might be able to utilise a javascript library like pdf.js to display the pdf. Finally, if they don’t have access to this, I suggest having the student look at pipelining the file to postscript and then to
text/html as required. There are opensource tools available for this in the ghostscript libs and I am pretty sure they work on windows?! This will not work well for all pdfs but does work pretty well for text heavy documents.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Good luck,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Guy Flaherty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kent Beveridge<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 8 March 2016 8:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sofdev@edulists.com.au');" target="_blank">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Question Re SAT need/opportunity</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">May be far easier to open the PDFs in other software and save as a text file...then read THIS file for his program.<br>
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Kent Beveridge <o:p></o:p></p>
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On 7 Mar 2016, at 2:06 PM, Mark <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mark@vceit.com');" target="_blank">mark@vceit.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Do you mean the program searches the
<b>contents</b> of a PDF? Decoding a PDF file would be way beyond the scope of an SD SAC, IMO.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Or maybe a list of PDF filenames is searched for key words and a matching PDF file is loaded by the OS ... that would be achievable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Otherwise, I'm unsure what the student's requirements are.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 7 March 2016 at 13:32, Mary Ho <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','homn@aquinas.vic.edu.au');" target="_blank">homn@aquinas.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Is this a viable project? He will also create a form that allows his client to enter data when adding in a new report of incidents..<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Sorry about the vagueness. So he will have UI, programming logic, store of new reports and folder containing the pdf documents<o:p></o:p></p>
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