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<div>Pretty good example of why getting that Unit 4 SAT criteria asap is just so important. Students are planning projects they don't confidently know will meet the criteria.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>> on behalf of "Paragreen, Chris J" <<a href="mailto:paragreen.chris.j@edumail.vic.gov.au">paragreen.chris.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, 9 March 2016 at 10:17 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Question Re SAT need/opportunity<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi Damien,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks for your input. The only relevant key skill that I can find in U4O1 is “code solutions and write internal documentation”. Without any additional information,
you could equally argue that students don’t necessarily need to include loops or if statements etc. I’m certainly interpreting that all of the coding key skills are contained within this one key skill, and am encouraging my students to scope their project
accordingly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>ATKINSON-BUCK, Damien<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 9 March 2016 9:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Question Re SAT need/opportunity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Brett,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Just my opinion, but sorting is a Key Knowledge point in U401, therefore it needs to be taught and possibly examined. It’s not a Key
Skill so it doesn’t <i>necessarily</i> have to be a part of the assessment, although I’d be encouraging my students to do it as part of basic data manipulation so they have had practical experience doing it, not just class theory. Where possible it’s best
to incorporate as many of the Key Knowledge points into every applicable task. With the nature of the SAT, it may be that project your students are does not require any form of sort. I’d be hoping for those students sake that sorts don’t appear on the Marking
Criteria for Unit 4 – if they do, it would disadvantage students whose task doesn’t sort and we should be steering them to do a sort now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Given the breadth of options available to students in the SAT, I’d struggle to find any specific code requirements in the SAT, short
of High, Med, Low descriptors for <i>“organise and manage data and files” </i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Happy to be advised otherwise, but that’s my interpretation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 8 March 2016 9:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Question Re SAT need/opportunity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Why would you have to include sorting? Surely it would depend on the program requirements, which we don't set and the language & data storage combination. <o:p></o:p></p>
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On 7 Mar 2016, at 2:15 pm, "Paragreen, Chris J" <<a href="mailto:paragreen.chris.j@edumail.vic.gov.au">paragreen.chris.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi Mary,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">U4O1 includes “algorithms for sorting”. I’m taking that as students should be including sorting in their project in order to score maximum marks in Criterion
6.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span><a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 7 March 2016 1:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <</span><a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">sofdev@edulists.com.au</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Question Re SAT need/opportunity</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do you mean the program searches the <b>contents</b> of a PDF? Decoding a PDF file would be way beyond the scope of an SD SAC, IMO.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Or maybe a list of PDF filenames is searched for key words and a matching PDF file is loaded by the OS ... that would be achievable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Otherwise, I'm unsure what the student's requirements are.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 7 March 2016 at 13:32, Mary Ho <<a href="mailto:homn@aquinas.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">homn@aquinas.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'd appreciate any feedback from you amazing teachers out there.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a student who has a need, this need is to read in a pdf document into his program, once a search has been performed the relevant pdf file will load in and display on screen. Is this a viable project? He will also create a form
that allows his client to enter data when adding in a new report of incidents..<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry about the vagueness. So he will have UI, programming logic, store of new reports and folder containing the pdf documents<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance<o:p></o:p></p>
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