<div dir="ltr">I hope we're right. I think PHP is about as abstract as my middle kids can deal with. I use it because they're comfortable with HTML and I can con them into thinking it's not much harder especially after spending a term with Python.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Laurie Savage<br><a href="https://sites.google.com/a/pvgc.vic.edu.au/mr-savage/home" target="_blank">https://sites.google.com/a/pvgc.vic.edu.au/mr-savage/home</a><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 21 October 2015 at 08:19, Robert Hallworth <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hallworth.r@wcc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">hallworth.r@wcc.vic.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="1508724eefea84a3__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Hi Laurie<u></u><u></u></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">After reading answers to my initial question and some further research I believe that POST or GET variables from a web form being received
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">There are far more elaborate modules that can be added to PHP but I do not believe this is necessary.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Laurie Savage<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 21 October 2015 7:16 AM</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Event Driven Programming<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p><div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does a button click on a form count as an "event"? Like you I use PHP.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 19 October 2015 at 08:51, ATKINSON-BUCK, Damien <<a href="mailto:Damien.ATKINSON-BUCK@ivanhoe.com.au" target="_blank">Damien.ATKINSON-BUCK@ivanhoe.com.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Although the names are slightly different, I think he explains it quite clearly – I’m going to go through
it with my students as we get into some of the more challenging programming concepts. <a href="http://www.hanselman.com/blog/AReminderOnThreeMultiTierLayerArchitectureDesignBroughtToYouByMyLateNightFrustrations.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.hanselman.com/blog/AReminderOnThreeMultiTierLayerArchitectureDesignBroughtToYouByMyLateNightFrustrations.aspx</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 18 October 2015 8:34 AM</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Event Driven Programming<u></u><u></u></p>
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On 18 Oct 2015, at 08:26, Christophersen, Paula P <<a href="mailto:christophersen.paula.p@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">christophersen.paula.p@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#282828">No the layers are just organisers of programming requirements. They are there to just group or classify requirements and this might help teachers when they are developing designs for working modules
for U3O1. The layers as such are not assessable. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 17 October 2015 7:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Edulists - Year 12 Software Development<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Event Driven Programming</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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is a new one. Are SD teachers supposed to teach this - and if so - it isn't actually examinable as it's not mentioned in a KK point anywhere (unless it is inferred as being part of application architecture??) - even so - not explicitly mentioned!!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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To: <a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a><br>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 03:24:57 +0000<br>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Event Driven Programming</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><a name="1508724eefea84a3_1507cf354fb0c2b7__MailEndCompose"><span style="color:black">Hi All,</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="color:black">My short answer on the use of PHP and Java as languages that can be used is YES. But I think you need to look at the language requirements in a bit more depth than what we have been used to in the past.
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<p><span style="color:black">The new language requirements are not simply list of languages, but a description that allows us to use the appropriate languages/technologies for each layer of solution the students will develop. So as an example, students could
develop a solution that uses:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Symbol;color:black">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="color:black">HTML (with Java Script) as the “Interface Layer”</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span style="color:black">PHP (as it was originally developed) for the “Logic Layer”, and</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span style="color:black">Some variant of a dB (MS-SQL, MYSQL, NOSQL, …) for the “Data Source Layer”, or</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span style="color:black">Follow the current application model/pattern for “Universal Apps” (if you are like me and live on the Micro$oft stack <a href="https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/xaml/dn726767.aspx" target="_blank">https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/xaml/dn726767.aspx</a>
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<p><span style="color:black">Of course I could also see many other application patterns using:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span style="color:black">files (text, XML, JSON, dB, web-services, …) for data storage/access,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span style="color:black">StoredProc’s, web services, etc… from dB servers as part of a solutions “Logic Layer”.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="color:black">Lastly my read on the “no dB in the Interface Layer”, is to solve the problem of a solution just being built in “MS Access”, ”Filemaker”, etc… - i.e. Access forms and reports and a wizard produced solution.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="color:black">Only my two cents worth.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="color:black"><a href="mailto:%7bemail%7d" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8.0pt">Chris.Bucknell@haileybury.vic.edu.au</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 17 October 2015 1:12 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Event Driven Programming</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="color:black">What about Java?<br>
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On 17 Oct 2015, at 12:35, Robert Hallworth <<a href="mailto:hallworth.r@wcc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">hallworth.r@wcc.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="color:#1f497d">Just looking at the VCAA on language requirements.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="color:#1f497d">“use objects, methods and <b>event-driven programming functions</b>.”</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="color:#1f497d">PHP has been my language of choice BUT does not support “event-driven programming” .. well not easily. Does that mean I can’t use PHP?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="color:#1f497d">What other languages are popular that satisfies this?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="color:#1f497d">ALSO what does “Note that databases are not to be used in the interface layer.” mean?? Can I use MySQL in logic layer or NOT??</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><b><i><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Adobe Garamond Pro Bold",serif;color:#365f91">Robert K Hallworth</span></i></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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