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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>Hi Adrian and Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'> I am not writing an Informatics text so I am not sure how that one came about </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#44546A'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>Quite busy with many other projects at the moment ……….<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>An interesting point is made nonetheless about a combined text although I am not sure how well it would cover the depth required for each.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>Take Care<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>Kevork Krozian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>Edulists Creator Administrator<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>www.edulists.com.au<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>tel: 0419 356 034<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Janson<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 14 October 2015 8:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Textbook for SD<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Chris,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I had thought that Kevork was writing an Informatics text? (Sorry Kevork if I am misquoting you!!) I would be happy to work on something that combines both SD and Informatics - maybe for the next edition? - but if there is one on the way, that would be far better!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Adrian<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Paragreen, Chris J <<a href="mailto:paragreen.chris.j@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">paragreen.chris.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just a stray thought ….</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Is one solution to have one textbook for VCE IT that covers both Informatics and Software Development? There is a degree of overlap between the studies, and could be likened to Further Maths core and modules ….</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a name="15049dfa444d80cc__MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Darren Scott<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 October 2015 3:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Textbook for SD<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yep, thanks again to Adrian … though looking at the trends in numbers there could be a day when Sof Dev (1290 in 2014) overlaps IT Apps/Informatics (2500). We’re only running SD in the near future (decision from our school’s curriculum people). For those who don’t want to trawl through the enrolment numbers, <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/expertise/it-crowd-shrinking-as-vce-enrolments-plummet-20140907-10dizx.html" target="_blank">http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/expertise/it-crowd-shrinking-as-vce-enrolments-plummet-20140907-10dizx.html</a> is an old (2014) news story that has a nice interactive graph down the bottom that you can get an idea of enrolments from. Perhaps Adrian’s time machine is telling him something of the future? </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As an obligatory “take this to another subject”, for those teaching Further Maths as well – when you get to transforming data in the Core stats unit, the IPM/IT Apps numbers over the last 10-15 years produce an excellent model of a third-quadrant transformation for a test or SAC. We used the numbers to make a SAC a couple of years ago - we renamed the subject as VCE Basket Weaving, taught by Mrs Hugo, to protect the identity of the subject. As a trade-off for Computing people, the networks chapter in any Further book is great for examples to turn into Gantt charts (FM does PERT/CPM charts which you can steal and convert).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Darren Scott</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Catholic College Bendigo</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td width=65 style='width:48.75pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><img border=0 width=60 height=63 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.png@01D1078F.D18272C0"><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=300 style='width:225.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Darren Scott</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Teacher</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Catholic College Bendigo</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#00946B'>'Live the Good News'</span></i></strong><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>La Valla</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> (Yrs 7-9): Ph: 03 5449 3466</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Coolock</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> (Yrs 10-12): Ph: 03 5445 9100</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Finance Office</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>: Ph: 03 5445 9191</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Janson<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 October 2015 2:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> Edulists - Year 12 Software Development<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Textbook for SD</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi Michael,</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Yes - 100% market share is good, but having said that - it's still a close thing! That's why none of the publishers will produce a text for a small subject like SD. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Adrian</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: <a href="mailto:pikep@bmg.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">pikep@bmg.vic.edu.au</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a><br>Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 02:59:57 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Textbook for SD</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks goodness for Adrian. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That’s the problem with having a small cohort.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p 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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Philip Pike</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Director of ICT</span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br><br></span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bacchus Marsh Grammar<br></span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:gray'>T.</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:gray'> 03 5366 4893 <b>F.</b> 03 5366 4850 <br><b>E.</b> <a href="mailto:pikep@bmg.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">pikep@bmg.vic.edu.au</a> <b>W.</b> <a href="http://www.bmg.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">http://www.bmg.vic.edu.au</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:gray'>South Maddingley Road | PO Box 214 | Bacchus Marsh Victoria 3340</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cooper, Michael J<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 October 2015 1:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 SofDev] Textbook for SD</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi all,<br><br>I haven’t seen this mentioned on the list, I just received confirmation from Cengage Learning that Nelson will not be publishing a SD textbook for the new study design. We currently use their IT:A text for year 11 and 12, but are moving to SD next year. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>They recommended Adrian’s book as the only text being published in this subject.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>How does 100% market share sound?</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br>Michael Cooper<br>ICT Co-ordinator & Network Support<br><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><img border=0 width=167 height=28 id="_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image003.png@01D1078F.D18272C0"><br><a href="http://www.braybrooksc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">www.braybrooksc.vic.edu.au</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Important - </span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>This email and any attachments may be confidential. 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