<div dir="ltr">hehehehe. <div><br></div><div>Actually, I'd be keen to learn a language if it were called 'Dramatically Rhetorical Chipmunk'.</div><div><br></div><div>Or 'Startled Handsome Wombat' - as long as it was event-driven and OOP.</div><div><br></div><div>On 5 August 2015 at 13:02, Victoria Farrell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:FarrellV@humegrammar.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">FarrellV@humegrammar.vic.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 5 August 2015 12:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For this year, VCAA neatly <a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Pages/correspondence/bulletins/2010/June/vce_study.aspx#4" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5 August 2015 at 11:48, Victoria Farrell <<a href="mailto:FarrellV@humegrammar.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">FarrellV@humegrammar.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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So what language are we supposed to use?????</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Laurie Savage<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 5 August 2015 11:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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the students have to dive into syntax. I'm very fond of Python, just not very expert at it - there's always something else to do at work!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5 August 2015 at 09:13, Guy Flaherty <<a href="mailto:Guy.Flaherty@xavier.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">Guy.Flaherty@xavier.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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I am not teaching SD again this year but if I were I would look at using something like this and JQueryMobile (<a href="http://jquerymobile.com/" target="_blank">http://jquerymobile.com/</a>) and get the students building mobile apps for their phones.
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<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Laurie Savage<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 5 August 2015 8:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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Just wondering through what mechanism those of you using python as your language are having students build UI? Is it web or otherwise platform independent?<br>
I have been using PHP for a few years now, and probably will continue, but I have a number of students in 9-11 taking the Grok NCSS challenge and thought about looking into python as my language. Also, the Algorithmics course mandates python, and I would like
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