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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 5 August 2015 12:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suspect your question is dramatically rhetorical, but for the sake of those who don't know...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For this year, VCAA neatly <a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Pages/correspondence/bulletins/2010/June/vce_study.aspx#4">
lists the approved languages</a>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sadly, neither Scratch nor QuickBASIC 4.5 qualifies ;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But henceforth, for the <b>new</b> study design (2016-2019) there is no longer an approved list of programming languages. There will, however, be a list of functions of which a chosen language must be capable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5 August 2015 at 11:48, Victoria Farrell <<a href="mailto:FarrellV@humegrammar.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">FarrellV@humegrammar.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In SD, students need to create working solutions where the interface is required to be user friendly….
So what language are we supposed to use?????</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Laurie Savage<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 5 August 2015 11:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">That's what I like about it! I'm not sure a GUI approach to language learning is always the right way in at this level; although I like the Scratch approach to problem solving eventually
the students have to dive into syntax. I'm very fond of Python, just not very expert at it - there's always something else to do at work!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 5 August 2015 at 09:13, Guy Flaherty <<a href="mailto:Guy.Flaherty@xavier.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">Guy.Flaherty@xavier.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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I am not teaching SD again this year but if I were I would look at using something like this and JQueryMobile (<a href="http://jquerymobile.com/" target="_blank">http://jquerymobile.com/</a>) and get the students building mobile apps for their phones.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Python is not really a GUI focussed language. You can do it, but other languages are probably going
to be easier to teach and use. Don’t get me wrong, I love Python. Been using it for 15 years now, but not for GUI programming.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Laurie Savage<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 5 August 2015 8:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">I haven't cracked using Python as a web tool yet so I'm interested in how people go about this. Is there anything like Ruby on Rails? (maybe Python on a Swing?)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 4 August 2015 at 22:41, Andrew Pate <<a href="mailto:arp@mentonegrammar.net" target="_blank">arp@mentonegrammar.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Just wondering through what mechanism those of you using python as your language are having students build UI? Is it web or otherwise platform independent?<br>
I have been using PHP for a few years now, and probably will continue, but I have a number of students in 9-11 taking the Grok NCSS challenge and thought about looking into python as my language. Also, the Algorithmics course mandates python, and I would like
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