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<div class="">I wonder how much impact faculty/domain divisions within a local school curriculum have on this issue.</div>
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<div class="">My experience as an IT teacher has always been that IT has been placed somewhere between the domains of ART (multimedia, animation, digital graphic design etc) and TECHNOLOGY(design thinking, electronics etc). The goal of teaching computational
thinking (my personal passion and where I feel the most valuable learning is achieved) doesn’t really align with either of these domains. I’m not sure where the best fit is, but I suspect that increased clarity of purpose as a curriculum will drive student
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<div class="">In terms of staff qualifications, I am usually a lone voice amongst my colleagues :( I have never worked with another teacher who has IT as their method area. Each year when PSTs are allocated to mentors, only occasionally does one have IT as
their method. I feel the lack of a team to collaborate with also devalues IT within the wider curriculum perspective of an individual school. Damn our overcrowded curriculum!</div>
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<div class="">Personally I have had most success with a focus on game development as it incorporates creativity, computational thinking, a design process and TEAMWORK! It is distinct from opportunities available to students in other subject areas. And its fun
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I agree with David, it all comes down to relevance and engagement.<br class="">
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We have over 60% of our Year 9 boys co-hort taking up an ICT elective, but the girls numbers are trailing behind.<br class="">
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We do 'Web Development' and another subject called 'Think ICT' in Year 9, and 'Game Making' in Year 10.<br class="">
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On 28 May 2015, at 9:36 am, Howard, David <dhoward@stmichaels.vic.edu.au<mailto:dhoward@stmichaels.vic.edu.au>> wrote:<br class="">
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It is all down to making the courses relevant and exciting for students. They don?t want to be doing excel and access. They want to be creating solutions that they see as relevant to them. If you can pitch a subject where they can see it being beneficial for
their future you will get numbers.<br class="">
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Our numbers are strong and continue to be strong. I have around 30-40% of the Year 9 co-hort who go through the elective subjects. I think that is massive.<br class="">
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I have some strong thoughts on this as well. I think there has been a serious misunderstanding of the difference between ?using? ITC and ?learning? ITC. ITC is now been used very effectively in many areas of education as a learning tool and I think many people
think that this means students are ?learning? ITC. But it needs to be remembered that it is just a tool in these situations, used to help impart knowledge and skills of what ever the subject matter is, but you are not learning about it.<br class="">
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ITC is now been used in the same way in the classroom that you would use pens, paper, whiteboards etc. While using these things in an everyday setting a student isn't learning about how the book is made, where the paper came from, and the processes involve
in producing it. Yet in our curriculum we have areas in which students learn about these things, they learn about natural resources in science and humanities, they learn how to work with materials such as paper and produce things in art and technology subjects.
I believe it is exactly the same with ITC, there is nothing wrong with it being increasingly used as a tool throughout the curriculum but it still needs to be studied seperately, so that students can gain understanding of how it works, what makes it up and
where it comes from. Not only that, studying ITC seperately means that they will be able to use it more effectively when they use it in other subjects. One of the biggest problems I see these days is students !<br class="">
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My thoughts are simple, with the rise and rise of the iPad and similar technologies, the perceived 'need' for mainstream IT subjects has been undermined and watered down to non importance. Many staff, new young graduates included, give my observations that
they feel they 'know it all' and hence don't see the importance of a standalone subject.<br class="">
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On 27 May 2015, at 11:15 pm, Tracey Hubert <traceyhubert@gmail.com<mailto:traceyhubert@gmail.com>> wrote:<br class="">
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I am a pre-service IT teacher and long-time lurker. I am working on an assessment investigating issues and debates around the implementation of the (proposed) Digital Technologies curriculum and the implications for schools and teachers. In the Donnely and
Whiltsire review, they propose that IT remain a general capability and the standalone subject be scrapped or made optional. One of the arguments is there are not enough suitably qualified teachers and that it can be taught across the disciplines. They obviously
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I am curious to hear what practicing IT teachers think about this assertion. I went to a school tour on Friday and was surprised to learn they didn't offer IT as a subject at all, not even in VCE. No electives in Year 9. Nothing. I had a look at the overall
statistics for VCE IT apps and VCE Software Development and saw enrolments are significantly down from their 2000?2001 peak. During the online PD for the new VCE subjects, Paula Christophersen mentioned they have increased this year by 10%, but it still seems
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