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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I guess you all know the old chestnut about the IBM memo that was fed into a COBOL machine – it compiled successfully but failed to run.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 21 October 2014 5:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List; Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] [Year 12 IT Apps] Ouch!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is more for the SD list, but...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">program HellYeah<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> write(*,*) "+1. You never forget your first lover or your first compiler."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> end program<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now let me argue a case for LISP... she had a lot of parentheses, but so much artificial intelligence...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 21 October 2014 15:43, Roland Gesthuizen <<a href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com" target="_blank">rgesthuizen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bring back Fortran :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Roland GESTHUIZEN<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 20 Oct 2014, at 5:57 pm, Mark <<a href="mailto:mark@vceit.com" target="_blank">mark@vceit.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Do you prefer readability or less typing?<br>
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On Monday, October 20, 2014, Robert Timmer-Arends <</span><a href="mailto:timmer@westnet.com.au" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">timmer@westnet.com.au</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">017 ADD 1 TO RECORD-COUNT</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Regards</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#E4E4E4"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Savage, John L<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Monday, October 20, 2014 10:49 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> [Year 12 IT Apps] Ouch!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I just ran across this comment on COBOL by Turing Award recipient Edsger Dijkstra in 1975<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">"The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In 1975 somebody was trying to teach me COBOL, I was inclined to agree.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">mark AT vceit DOT com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>I love the sound of people's voices after they stop talking.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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