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<div>Maybe I didn't 'teach' with the TRS80, it was on my work desk...not a classroom desk! I was doing production planner/stock controller work! This was the first MIcro-computer I used for a wage! I did use the cyber at RMIT in the early 1980's with punched
cards during a mathematics degree!then later the VAX/VMS and DG MVS systems in the stock broking industry(various clients).</div>
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<div>Ps...I used early spreadsheets in my job too....funny how the formulae are still similar to back then!</div>
<div>I enjoying this yak(thread)!... </div>
<div>Sooo Andrew, I reckon perhaps an associate dinosaur membership then as I used these techs professionally...??</div>
<div>And I did teach others to use them too!....it's called job training!</div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Hind<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 23 October 2013 3:00 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size:10pt">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size:10pt"> Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:27 PM</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">no Kent </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">:: greybeard moment #1: I used a Mac where the OS was on a floppy and the wealthy had two floppy drives so the data could be stored without removing the OS disk</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">#2 I recall that at my father's work they had hard drives in a room and each was in a box 1 metre high by .9 by .9 and they EACH contained 1 Megabyte of data. Enormous (then)</p>
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