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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Great to hear you youngsters arguing about being
dinosaurs :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The first computer I used, in about 1971, was a
Fairchild Nova. Cost about $40,000 and came with 2k of, ferrite core, RAM,
teletype terminal, paper tape reader and magnetic tape storage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>First computer I used in teaching was a
TRS-80, in 1978. My own first computer was a Dick Smith System-80 which I was
able to upgrade to 48k RAM.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>So I definitely claim membership of the dinosaur
club</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Robert Hind<BR>Retired<BR>Ex Traralgon and
Ashwood</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=shortell@get2me.net href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net">Andrew
Shortell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=sofdev@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">Year 12 Software Development Teachers'
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:27
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Another
brick in the software wall</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>no Kent
<DIV>unless you actually taught with them (like I did)</DIV>
<DIV>you are merely a "memory"saur </DIV>
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<DIV>:: greybeard moment #1: I used a Mac where the OS was on a floppy and the
wealthy had two floppy drives so the data could be stored without removing the
OS disk</DIV>
<DIV>#2 I recall that at my father's work they had hard drives in a room and
each was in a box 1 metre high by .9 by .9 and they EACH contained 1
Megabyte of data. Enormous (then)</DIV>
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<DIV>I still mourn the loss of Oscar the Grouch singing to me when I emptied
the trash on my early mac</DIV>
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<DIV>Andrew</DIV>
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<DIV>Andrew Shortell</DIV>
<DIV>Educator</DIV>
<DIV>CRC Melton</DIV>
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<DIV><A href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net">shortell@get2me.net</A> (This
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<DIV>@acsbear8 (twitter)</DIV></DIV></SPAN><A
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<DIV>On 23/10/2013, at 1:46 PM, Kent Beveridge <<A
href="mailto:kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au">kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au</A>>
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<DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px">OMG Mark...I remember the
'trash' 80 too! (Tandy)</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px">Way back in 'pre-teacher'
days for me! (had one on my desk!!!)</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px">Sooo, does that mean I
qualify as a dinosaur???</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px">Kent.</DIV>
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face="Poor Richard"><STRONG>Kent Beveridge</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT color=#3366ff>ICT
Coordinator & Maths Teacher</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT color=#3366ff><A
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on behalf of Mark [<A
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<DIV dir=ltr>The end of paid operating systems?
<DIV><A href="http://www.wired.com/business/2013/10/apple-ends-paid-oses/"
target=_blank>http://www.wired.com/business/2013/10/apple-ends-paid-oses/</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>(Strokes grey beard)</DIV>
<DIV>I remember the good ol' days when the OS came in ROM. As for EPROM...
luxury!!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>In next week's Greybeard Moment...</DIV>
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<DIV>I waggle my finger at young people and explain how my 1978 TRS-80 with
4KB of RAM (yes, kilobytes, not megabytes) only had uppercase characters to
save on storage. A full ASCII set is a senseless extravagance, I tell
you!</DIV>
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<DIV>Mark Kelly</DIV>
<DIV>mark AT vceit DOT com</DIV>
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