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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">I have taught ITA to y11’s with reasonable degree of success however this year included y11’s in a SD class and my experience indicates
that majority of them found it difficult. However that does not apply all students because I have a y11 student coping very well with SD.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">The second point of discussion is of combined class of y11 and 12. I have taught VET IDM in a combined class this year and it has worked perfectly because
my students are very independent learners and I can reply on them to be well engaged. This arrangement did not work well for me in another year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">I guess we need to look at student abilities and interest and get recommendation from teachers before making decision to above issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">My issue is lack of girls taking up IT and VET Media. I have taken them to Go Girls Go for IT workshops, Offered Digital Divas program to a Y10 class and talked
to my year 10 classes. These strategies have not resulted in positive outcomes. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#17365D">Kushum Rattan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#17365D">Gisborne Secondary College<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#17365D">Phone: 03 54283691<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#17365D">Email: rattan.kushum.l@edumail.vic.gov.au<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paragreen, Chris J<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 13 September 2013 10:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Combined IT/SD class<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks to everyone for their feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Alas, bumping the 11s up to SD was discussed, but not an option. It was deemed that they would either be already be doing a 34 subject, or they were not yet “capable” of doing a 34 subject.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">This year there was no U34 IT running at our school (not enough interest), but prior to that, ITA and SD had alternated every year since I started teaching the course.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">
sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevork Krozian<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 10 September 2013 10:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Combined IT/SD class<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Chris,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I had a near identical situation last year IT12 (7 students) and SD34 (11 students). It was either 1 class or neither would run.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">It would have been unfair on everyone to run 2 separate courses in the one room. Each student would have got half a teacher at best.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So the only responsible course of action was to run a single course of SD34 justified by the path of least harm . Anything else would have been too damaging.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The “only” harm was that the IT12 (7 students) had to take on SD34 with no prior IT at VCE ( they did have Yr 10 IT which was not really aligned with the SD course).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In any case my top mark was 46 from the Yr 12 group, and my second mark was 43 from the Yr 11 group so there was a happy ending
</span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Good luck <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kevork Krozian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Edulists Creator Administrator<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au">www.edulists.com.au</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">tel: 0419 356 034<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Shortell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 10 September 2013 10:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Combined IT/SD class<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is still very hard to run combined class in two different subjects. Although there is a little overlap it is not enough with 21 students to deal with IMHO<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe you should consider running IT Apps every 2nd year and SD very year.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Offer the IT apps to combined 11&12 class<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good luck<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Andrew<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 10/09/2013, at 3:17 PM, "Savage, John L" <<a href="mailto:savage.john.l@edumail.vic.gov.au">savage.john.l@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I’m running a combined class this year. I don’t enjoy it but Schoology and Edmodo have been my saviours. I’ve played with Moodle a lot in the past but I find kids much less reluctant to use these two tools.
<a href="http://Codecademy.com">Codecademy.com</a> has been a life saver for the programming folio and has left me with a lot of time to spend one on one with the year 12’s on U4O2 while my year 11’s have been helping each other with Javascript.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paragreen, Chris J<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 10 September 2013 2:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 SofDev] Combined IT/SD class</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hello everyone,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">We didn’t get any U34 IT up and running this year, but I’ve just been “offered” a combined class of IT12 (9 students) and SD34 (12 students) for next year. The alternative is running SD, but no IT12. This would
have implications on numbers at U34 for the following year. Does anyone have experience running a combined class? How were they sequenced? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Chris Paragreen</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kew High School</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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