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<div>An interesting thread this!</div>
<div>I am thinking ....what is the root cause of all this? Is it the myriad of available alternative subjects or is it school policy...or something else? VCAA course content to me seems a big offender in the unit 1/2 stream...hardly enticing content when compared
to other subject offerings.</div>
<div>Others thoughts?</div>
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<b>Kent Beveridge</b>
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On 10/09/2013, at 10:13 PM, "Kevork Krozian" <<a href="mailto:kevork@edulists.com.au">kevork@edulists.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Chris,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I had a near identical situation last year
</span><span style="color:#1F497D">IT12 (7 students) and SD34 (11 students). It was either 1 class or neither would run.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">It would have been unfair on everyone to run 2 separate courses in the one room. Each student would have got half a teacher at best.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So the only responsible course of action was to run a single course of SD34 justified by the path of least harm . Anything else would have been too damaging.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The “only” harm was that the IT12 (7 students) had to take on SD34 with no prior IT at VCE ( they did have Yr 10 IT which was not really aligned with the SD course).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In any case my top mark was 46 from the Yr 12 group, and my second mark was 43 from the Yr 11 group so there was a happy ending
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Good luck </span><span style="color:#1F497D"></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Shortell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 10 September 2013 10:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Combined IT/SD class</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is still very hard to run combined class in two different subjects. Although there is a little overlap it is not enough with 21 students to deal with IMHO</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe you should consider running IT Apps every 2nd year and SD very year.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Offer the IT apps to combined 11&12 class</p>
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On 10/09/2013, at 3:17 PM, "Savage, John L" <<a href="mailto:savage.john.l@edumail.vic.gov.au">savage.john.l@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I’m running a combined class this year. I don’t enjoy it but Schoology and Edmodo have been my saviours. I’ve played with Moodle a lot in the past but I find kids much less reluctant to use these two tools.
<a href="http://Codecademy.com">Codecademy.com</a> has been a life saver for the programming folio and has left me with a lot of time to spend one on one with the year 12’s on U4O2 while my year 11’s have been helping each other with Javascript.</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paragreen, Chris J<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 10 September 2013 2:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 SofDev] Combined IT/SD class</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hello everyone,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">We didn’t get any U34 IT up and running this year, but I’ve just been “offered” a combined class of IT12 (9 students) and SD34 (12 students) for next year. The alternative is running SD, but no IT12. This would
have implications on numbers at U34 for the following year. Does anyone have experience running a combined class? How were they sequenced? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Regards,</span></p>
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