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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>That’s where I end up, and of
course my good kids have no problems. But I have concerns over the cut and
paste mentality that prevails with the rest, especially during the introductory
stages.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I like your idea of the
ridiculous times allowed. My phone is great for that, as soon as they hear the
daggy music – pens down. I normally present them with a print out and have them
annotate it with the appropriate tags.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:22.0pt;font-family:"Buxton Sketch";
color:#244061'>Laurie Savage<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#595959'>ICT Teacher | Student Assessment
and Reporting Coordinator |Pascoe Vale Girls College<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#595959'>Lake Ave, Pascoe Vale | 03 9306
2544 | savage.john.l@edumail.vic.gov.au<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sonia McDonald<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 19 July 2012 11:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Students copying and pasting in learning
tasks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>I
do it opposite to that. </span><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>☺</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>I
show them an example final result on the projector, and let them
figure out the code behind it (within a ridiculous time limit - say, 5
minutes). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>Example:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>timetable <o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>monday: <o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><br>
The ones that can do it feel proud and are usually the ones that will help the
others.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>I
also run in-class tests like that - where they are given a layout/design on a
piece of paper, and they code the HTML/CSS to make it look exactly the same as
the design. All within a ridiculous time limit. Albeit, the designs are quite
simplistic, and the faster kids can extend themselves by adding other
pages/images etc, while if the others cannot complete the tasks, they are given
the opportunity to /**/ comment their reasons why. Then that gives me the
ability to run through the parts they don't understand again - and extend the
faster ones.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>It's
tough, but good for their brains!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Sonia McDonald</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Teacher
of Information Technology/Multimedia - Garnsey Campus</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>
sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] on behalf of
Laurie Savage [savage.john.l@edumail.vic.gov.au]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 19 July 2012 10:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 SofDev] Students copying and pasting in learning tasks</span><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Does anyone have a good strategy
to prevent students just copying and pasting code (or typing mindlessly!) when
they are learning the basics of a language? I’ve lost count of the number of
times I’ve opened a kid’s web page they’ve coded in a text editor to be
confronted with “Your Name” and “Write a few lines about yourself, using the ul
and ol tags sensibly” neatly set out as <h1> and <p> in neat little
divs exactly mimicking mine!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:22.0pt;font-family:"Buxton Sketch";
color:#244061'>Laurie Savage</span></i></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#595959'>ICT Teacher | Student Assessment
and Reporting Coordinator |Pascoe Vale Girls College</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#595959'>Lake Ave, Pascoe Vale | 03 9306
2544 | savage.john.l@edumail.vic.gov.au</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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