<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">hi Kevork and all<div><br></div><div>Mobile OS ? Because I am in an iPad community I am in favour of iOS --> Last year at Swinburne I did an android OS half day and it was good (scratch like interface)</div><div>If you make separate ones then I will go with both</div><div><br></div><div>Today at ICTEV conf the "killer Phrase" for me was 1:1 Self directed learning both at school and out of school</div><div><br></div><div>effectively it is all about students learning and teachers learning - not teachers being oracles. There was a lot today about peer tutoring (teachers ->teachers, students - > students and students to teachers)</div><div>Who controls what we learn, what students learn --> the learners. we can try to control what we tell them but with 1:1 they can control what they learn, when they learn and why they learn.</div><div><br></div><div>So with iOS (& Android) we can help them to learn how to make apps that they can use to help others learn and help others with learning.</div><div><br></div><div>With Unity they can make games etc that they can export to iOS, Android and web base apps</div><div><br></div><div>Today I saw a web base app system , online systems to build simple apps and they are easy</div><div>e.g. <a href="http://ibuildapp.com">ibuildapp.com</a>, <a href="http://www.buzztouch.com">www.buzztouch.com</a> and others</div><div><br></div><div>Apparently there is also red foundry .com - uses code pieces to create apps, </div><div><br></div><div>I am also excited about xcode but.... (if you have looked at coding in Unity it is not simple but yr 7 students apparently can use the jigsaw approach)</div><div><br></div><div>This year NONE of my VCE students have printed in the classroom. They have iPads, can pdf stuff, upload to dropbox, share it with me, </div><div>the old fashioned ones even email me sometimes.</div><div><br></div><div>They have insisted on a facebook page (because they are used to it --> I Use email to keep up with the facebook)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>People want to learn --> let's help them to do it and help them to extend them selves and hopefully they will carry us along with them.</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div>(still buzzing form the conference)</div><div><br></div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On 26/05/2012, at 6:34 PM, Kevork Krozian wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi again Trav,<br><br> I think all our efforts to bring xcode to students will be worthwhile.<br>I don't mean to favour one platform over another but to relay some<br>experiences. <br><br>I am about to get a separate IOS on line community ( mailing list ) set up<br>to start building our obviously huge interest and passion for mobile<br>technologies. <br>I had a colleague ask me 3 years ago what I thought elearning would look<br>like in the near future and my response was " interactive digital mobile<br>learning". <br>This will be true of all learning inevitably. To be clear, we are looking<br>at the use of these technologies, but influencing/creating the content that<br>is built on/in/with them.<br><br>My students in Yr 12 don't really understand what paper is anymore. Only<br>under extreme duress do they draw a UCD or DFD on paper and then capture an<br>image to put into their documents.<br>Most want to simply use gliffy or other software package and feel it is a<br>natural part of the learning to master this tool to then answer questions<br>about an SRS or sample SAC or learning activity.<br><br>I am about to get a separate IOS on line community ( mailing list )<br>happening to start building our obviously huge interest and passion for<br>mobile technologies. <br>At this stage which communities ( forums, mailing lists ) do people think we<br>need ?<br><br>1. iphone, ipad or just IOS ?<br>2. Android ?<br>3. Windows Phone ?<br>4. Games for learning with mobile apps ?<br>5. Mobile learning ?<br><br><br>Others ??<br><br>Kind Regards <br><br>Kevork Krozian<br>Edulists Creator Administrator<br><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au">www.edulists.com.au</a><br>tel: 0419 356 034<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]<br>On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian<br>Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2012 1:36 PM<br>To: 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'<br>Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] App development Sorry for the x-posts!)<br><br>Hi Trav,<br><br> Yes, the investment is not lost on me. I just hope xcode is not a negative<br>experience for teachers and students due to its difficulties.<br>I say this because I have taught XNA/Visual C# to Yr 9 and 10 for more than<br>3 years and most struggled. <br><br><br><br>Keep well <br><br>Kevork Krozian<br>Edulists Creator Administrator<br>www.edulists.com.au<br>tel: 0419 356 034<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]<br>On Behalf Of Travis Parker<br>Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:57 AM<br>To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] App development Sorry for the x-posts!)<br><br>Kevork,<br><br>The thing with Adrian (And myself) is that our schools have invested a large<br>amount of time and money into iPad programs and I checked out appinventor<br>and it seems that they only export to android devices?<br><br>There seems to be a text on "App inventing for iPhones" by Graeme Summers<br>that I am ordering (Thanks Adrian) and a few of us are trying to organise a<br>new year 10 iOS app development course. If anyone is interested please speak<br>up!<br><br>Cheers<br><br>Trav<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au<br>[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian<br>Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:14 AM<br>To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] App development Sorry for the x-posts!)<br><br>Hi Adrian,<br><br> This is all very useful to all of our colleagues.<br><br>I recently completed an Android app writing PD at Swinburne Uni Hawthorn<br>using appinventor ( see appinventor.org ) and found it very powerful and<br>effortless in transferring to a phone or sharing with other phones. For<br>those who don't have a phone an emulator will still allow testing of the app<br>on Mac or PC. The resources (software, textbooks, completed apps ) are free<br>online. The programming environment is a "scratch" type with no actual<br>coding but a GUI to connect objects, add methods, change properties and<br>parameters. This would translate to a Yr 8 to 10 course so much more easily<br>than say writing code in XNA or in Objective C I feel.<br><br> There are sections on using multi dimensional arrays, saving to a database<br>and much more. Is it starting to look like it could slot into Software<br>Development as a language ? Of course the coding would have to be done in<br>Java for it to be acceptable. There are efforts to provide a java view of<br>the Appinventor GUI see http://www.appinventor.org/roadmap<br>but that would need to be clarified for Units 3 and 4 Software Development<br>purposes.<br><br> An equally useful discussion would be to compare the competing app<br>writing and programming options. eg. Cost of registering as a devloper ?<br>How much will students understand when writing code in a language like<br>Objective C or C# for that matter ?<br><br> One of the most useful apps in this series I worked on was "Find my car"<br>which allows recording of the current location using the GPS feature in the<br>phone and then after moving to another location requesting a map showing how<br>to find the car again. This interfaced with a voice feature where<br>instructions are announced on how to find your way back to the car or if<br>they are in the same spot, the family members you may have lost ......<br><br> All very exciting ...<br><br>Keep well<br><br>Kevork<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Hi Travis,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Apologies for the previous email - I have just transitioned to a new <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">notebook and I had not set up my email signature yet!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I also hope I didn't get your hopes up! - basically what I wanted to <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">say is that I have been teaching myself x-code / objective c this year<br></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite">and also plan to run an iPhone / iPad dev course in 2013 - I would <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">love to collaborate on something if you are interested?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Cheers,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Adrian<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Adrian Janson B.Sc, Dip.Ed, M.Ed<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">eLearning Coordinator<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Melbourne High School, Forrest Hill, South Yarra, Victoria 3141<br></blockquote>Australia.<br><blockquote type="cite">Phone: 03 9826 0711 International: +61 3 9826 0711<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Fax: 03 9826 8767 International: +61 3 9826 8767<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">E-mail: janson.adrian.a@edumail.vic.gov.au<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Website: http://www.mhs.vic.edu.au<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Blog: http://jansona.edublogs.org<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Behalf Of Travis Parker<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 1:56 PM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] App development Sorry for the x-posts!)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Dear All,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Now that we have about 2250 iPads floating around the college, I was <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">thinking of implementing an "App Development" course at year 10 next <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">year that will run for a semester. We have also got a lab of 30 iMacs <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and was going to use them to create iPad apps (Using XCode???). I was<br></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite">wondering whether anyone does anything similar to this currently, or <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">has any ideas on what to include. I'd be happy to share and compare <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">notes and experiences with any interested parties.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Cheers<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Trav<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Travis Parker<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Head of ICT and E-Learning<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Beaconhills College<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">( 1300 002 225 ext 3016<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">or Direct Dial (03) 5945 3016<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Important - This email and any attachments may be confidential. 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