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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Kent,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:160%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">List of approved languages<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:160%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Basic (object-oriented variations only, e.g. VB.NET)<br>
C++<br>
C#<br>
Objective-C<br>
Pascal (object-oriented variations only, e.g. Delphi)<br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kent Beveridge<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 17 November 2011 10:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 SofDev] iOS comment and a question...KentB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Hi all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Having just done the iOS course at Swinny last week, can I just say it was hard yakka for me but gave me lots to
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">think about from a programming perspective. The attendees were mostly professional programmers from industry.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">We used the Xcode IDE on Mac desktops(iMacs i think??) so now I find that with our school - and others too- going the iPad way, I reckon perhaps spending some time getting more
comfy with the IDE would be great.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">I dont recall seeing Objective C as an optional language for Software Dev via the VCAA official list...is it an option??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">The way I see it, via the IDE we used on the Macs at Swinny, its an ideal (albeit very powerful and brain intensive!) option to extend programming students and PERFECT for developing
an App for a portable device as required by one of the outcomes at the Unit 3 / 4 SD subject.
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">On a negative side, my discussions with participants included comments from them that a shortage of students selecting the programming courses was happening. Is this because our
students these days are 'lazy' and figure if its not gaming then they dont want to touch it?? Or is it simply because they have too many other 'easy' options.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Whatever it is...the gap is growing between the job market and the qualified programmers to fill it -LOCAL, that is, not imported or outsourced programmers!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">This is not good. I wonder what the VCAA is doing to fix this issue. Seems the VELS integration into 7-10 subjects is killing us at that level and then at VCE the options for what
to teach the kids at units 1 and 2 is well...limited to be polite(have heard other less polite terms used but I hate the "bor###" word.).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Seems to me, by the time 'phase 3' of the Aus curriculum comes around, not too many schools, mine included, will even have students selecting I.T. for a variety of of reasons.
Personally, I am taking steps to try and avoid that but it means rethinking just what is taught, how it is taught, getting buckets of money for 'new tools' to teach with, and competing with heaps of other offerings on the plate for students. Teachers of I.T.
in the future, for those who still have jobs, I see will be in a rather different role than that presently.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Also, I did not see any other teachers from secondary level doing the Swinny course there. I cant understand that, given the way technology is going these days. I hope perhaps
a couple may be at the Android one this Saturday, but clearly this one will be far less taxing than the iOS one was, judging by my initial investigations already.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">I for one, plan to examine opportunities using these skills and am intending to build on them, both in the classroom and out of it. Dare I say it, now I must buy a Mac to do this
properly! As a colleague of mine jokes...hmmm coming to the 'dark side' now Kent?? (I've been a PC man for years...., but still not converted, just being flexible!!!).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">This is intended as comment, not criticism. Replies welcomed. Rock-throwing is not! I am a concerned, passionate I.T. teacher who is concerned about the growing black hole in industry
being filled by non-local specialists when we could be encouraging locals into the industry. I do have some small number of kids into their programming, but it is a VERY small number and they often get ostracised for their interest in an area not widely recognized
by their peers as 'important'.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Poor Richard","serif";color:blue;background:white">Kent Beveridge</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#3366FF">ICT Co-ordinator, St.Brigids CSC, HORSHAM,Vic,Aus.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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on behalf of Matheson, Heath A [Matheson.Heath.A@edumail.vic.gov.au]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 17 November 2011 4:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] SD exam discussion</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Heya all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Can we <u>try</u> to have different threads for discussion of different exam questions? My brain gave a me a “stack full” message while trying to digest the ITA exam thread.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Perhaps we can kick things off with a list of good and dodgy questions then have separate threads?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Heath.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Poultney, Gordon A<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 17 November 2011 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] SD exam oddity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:black">just had a quick look through and one of the mc questions doesn't seem to have a correct answer??<br>
Also concerned about wording in later questions - specific comments later today.<br>
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gordon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Gordon Poultney<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] on behalf of Matheson, Heath A [Matheson.Heath.A@edumail.vic.gov.au]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 17 November 2011 2:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] SD exam oddity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Or one of the reasons is really obvious, which I often find is the case in these exams. The VCAA sent through “proceed normally” at 12PM so kids were not told of any changes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Heath<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark KELLY<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 17 November 2011 2:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 SofDev] SD exam oddity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">A message for Paula... Will we teachers be told if kids were given corrections to the SD paper?<br>
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The longer I look at section B Q5, the more insane it looks. <br>
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Surely there's a <b>major</b> technical error in there?<br clear="all">
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