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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Well Mark said we still need the input form, and the validation for that as well. Would that be enough scope then?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It’s much nicer to use a 2D array and text file then when we tried to connect an Access database to the VB front end previously. That was messy and huge.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What are you all using for the user documentation? Is it suffice to ask students to make a simple “online help” website using Dreamweaver? In previous years I have asked them to compile the help file webpages using HTML help or something like that, created an index, and produced a .chm file. That was an overhead and students ended up spending more than the 10 periods allocated for U4O1. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr style='height:31.8pt'><td width=480 valign=top style='width:359.8pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:31.8pt'></td></tr><tr style='height:12.45pt'><td width=387 valign=top style='width:290.6pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:12.45pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr style='height:31.8pt'><td width=480 colspan=2 valign=top style='width:359.8pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:31.8pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Juliana Pang</span></b><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shapetype id="_x0000_t32" coordsize="21600,21600" o:spt="32" o:oned="t" path="m,l21600,21600e" filled="f">
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Seems 'not much' given what my background is..(I kinda expected 'pages' of code compared to this...).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Or do I just set the bar too high???<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>btw...I like the code Juliana has produced..nice! Its even in VB which makes(for me) it even better...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>I knew jumping on this list would reveal some gems! I look forward to sharing when I make my own...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Kent.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Poor Richard","serif";color:blue;background:white'>Kent Beveridge</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#3366FF'>ICT Co-ordinator, St.Brigids CSC, HORSHAM,Vic,Aus.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#3366FF'><a href="mailto:kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au">kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRpF523447><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] on behalf of Juliana Pang [pang.juliana.c@edumail.vic.gov.au]<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 28 June 2011 2:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] U4O1 practice - Class Data task solution</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Thanks for the task Mark – it’s been pretty interesting and I have gotten my students to start working on this. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I have created a sample solution, it’s little different to yours as I asked the students to make the text file as: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Alex,56,45,78<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Beth,100,98,95<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Colin,56,79,82<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Darcy,97,89,60<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Egbert,62,71,62<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>So the records are going sideways and the scores are already percentages. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>There’s no input forms yet on mine for the teacher to add more students. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>By the way, for the actual U4O1 task, do we need some sort of input form where students will write to a text file, as they are marked on validation techniques?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr style='height:31.8pt'><td width=480 valign=top style='width:360.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:31.8pt'></td></tr><tr style='height:12.45pt'><td width=387 valign=top style='width:290.25pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:12.45pt'><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr style='height:31.8pt'><td width=480 colspan=2 valign=top style='width:360.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:31.8pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b>Juliana Pang</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=483 height=3 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image006.png@01CC3644.80AB5590">Maths/Information Technology Teacher<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr style='height:12.45pt'><td width=92 valign=top style='width:69.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:12.45pt'><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=387 rowspan=2 valign=top style='width:290.25pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:12.45pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b>East Doncaster Secondary College</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>20 George Street East Doncaster Victoria 3109 Australia <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>p: +61 3 9842 2244 f: +61 3 9841 8010<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>w: <a href="http://www.eastdonsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">www.eastdonsc.vic.edu.au</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>e: <a href="mailto:pang.juliana.c@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">pang.juliana.c@edumail.vic.gov.au</a> <o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr style='height:34.85pt'><td width=92 valign=top style='width:69.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:34.85pt'><p class=MsoNormal><!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shape id="_x0000_s1026" type="#_x0000_t75" alt="Logo2010_KB.png" style='position:absolute;margin-left:0;margin-top:0;width:54.75pt;height:33.75pt;z-index:1;mso-position-horizontal:left;mso-position-horizontal-relative:text;mso-position-vertical-relative:line' o:allowoverlap="f">
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</v:shape><![endif]--><![if !vml]><img width=73 height=45 src="cid:image007.jpg@01CC3644.80AB5590" align=left hspace=12 alt="Logo2010_KB.png" v:shapes="_x0000_s1026"><![endif]><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kent Beveridge<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 28 June 2011 9:27 AM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] U4O1 practice - Class Data task solution<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p><span style='color:black'>Leather trumpets and Camels????<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>Man, this is an odd one! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>KB.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Kent Beveridge<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>ICT Co-ordinator, St.Brigids CSC, HORSHAM,Vic,Aus.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><a href="mailto:kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRpF917886><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] on behalf of Mark KELLY [kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au]<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 27 June 2011 6:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 SofDev] U4O1 practice - Class Data task solution<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'>Where's my speaking trumpet? Hello folks. Calling folks.<br><br>Attached is a VB 2010 solution to the class data task for U4O1 that I upped earlier. It contains sample code, screenshot of the form, and a text data file.<br><br><br>May your camels be bountiful, but not too cute: that way madness lies.<br clear=all><br>Mark<br><br>-- <br>Mark Kelly<br>Manager of ICT, Reporting, IT Learning Area<br>McKinnon Secondary College<br>McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia<br>Direct line / Voicemail: +613 8520 9085, Fax +613 9578 9253<br><a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a><br>VCE IT Lecture Notes: <a href="http://vceit.com" target="_blank">http://vceit.com</a><br>Moderator: <a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/" target="_blank">IT Applications Edulist</a><br><br>Want a good time? Call 0112358. 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