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No problems, Claudia. I know you have a sense of humour. The purpose of these Lists is to clear up any misunderstandings and to thrash out issues.<BR>
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">On Sun Mar 6 16:53 , Claudia Graham <claudia.graham@overnewton.vic.edu.au> sent:<BR>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" calibri="" ,="" sans-serif="" ;color:#1f497d="">Sorry Maggie.. and all.. just being rather flippant.. I’m sure people will not have picked it up and may end up doing it in that order. We will all learn from
our mistakes this year.. so much to change and get and understanding of.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold;" tahoma="" ,="" sans-serif="" lang="EN-US">From:</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;" tahoma="" ,="" sans-serif="" lang="EN-US"> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span>Claudia Graham<BR>
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span> Sunday, 6 March 2011 7:42 PM<BR>
<span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<BR>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" calibri="" ,="" sans-serif="" ;color:#1f497d="">Who is going to know the order.. unless you are audited!!! And then you can send yourself a letter to do better next year!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span>Margaret King Iaquinto<BR>
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span> Sunday, 6 March 2011 7:35 PM<BR>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">OK. It is on p 77 of the study design.'There is no flexibility in the sequence of the areas of study as they follow the stages of the problem-solving methodology (PSM). Yep. Better get a move on and change some
things. <BR>
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Maggie<BR>
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">On Sun Mar 6 15:34 , Mark KELLY sent:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Hi Margaret. You'd better check the study design on sequence of areas of study. You're not allowed to do the outcomes out of order...<BR>
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In ITA you can, but not in SD.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 6 March 2011 12:58, Margaret King Iaquinto <<a target="_blank" href="javascript:top.opencompose%28%27iaquinto@ozemail.com.au%27,%27%27,%27%27,%27%27%29">iaquinto@ozemail.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">In the SRS dox I have seen, Use Case(s) are written descriptions and some are quite detailed. The UCD is a model, a simplistic way of showing what is happening. Diagrams provide another method of understanding.
And yes there is a key skill devoted to the UCD in U3O1. But the last Key Skill in U3O1 is to 'write an SRS to document the requirements, constraints and scope' (p41). And I think then we must require the students to describe what is happening in Use Case,
which is a valid form of documenting the requirements.<BR>
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Use Cases are written with care and they explain what happens (user enters weight in kilograms...) . To me, this is very important. To me, the UCD is something I need to learn (and it's not easy) and belongs in U3O1. But the UCD is truly small in comparison
with the other items in the SRS, which we must provide to the student in U3O2. A UCD without the text-heavy Use Case is too remote.
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My understanding of U3O2 is that the students must take the SRS and do the coding. So, we can provide those details in the Use Cases.On p42 itsays: 'Students develop solutions in response to given software requirements specifications...". I don't think we are
required to provide a UCD to the students as part of the /SRS in U3O2. Maybe I need to do more reading.<BR>
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This is why I am doing U3O2 first. The students will have a series of SRS (cut down or full) dox as examples from me to provide a context for coding their solutions. By the time U3O1 comes up, they will have a solid understanding of what goes into an SRS.<BR>
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Your thoughts?<BR>
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">On Sun Mar 6 8:28 , Mark KELLY sent:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Hi Claudia. I won't be doing strict text use cases, but the kids should be able to translate a design brief into dot-point processes (use cases) and from that to a UCD. I always read the study design as meaning
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Just doing some follow up on Use Case, and was checking your resources out.<BR>
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>From this I assume you will not be getting students to write the 'use case' just create the diagram from those provided?<BR>
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Study design seem to move between uses case and use case diagram... which are in fact different..<BR>
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Claudia<BR>
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