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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Chris,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Our AP walked in with one of 3 Ipads in our school to show how
his daughter’s primary school had taken to the Ultranet and the menu does
come up in Safari in the Ipad.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Is it detecting the browser type and sending out the page
that is compatible for it ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Not sure of any other areas that may not work. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kevork Krozian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Digital Learning Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Forest Hill College<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>www.fhc.vic.edu.au<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>tel: 0419 356 034<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Ellis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 15 November 2010 7:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Ipad in schools<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>A simple solution for ipads using the Ultranet is for the
developers to remove that stupid, annoying, badly designed and interfering pop
up flash menu at the bottom of the screen. Apparently that is the only
component requiring flash, apart from the IDAM backend.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>And yes, I also believe flash is a dying, dead-end
technology. <a
href="http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/11/flasher-on-the-loose/">This article</a> gives
some insight into the issues.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>Chris Ellis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:#2A6CFF'>eLearning Coordinator</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:#2A6CFF'>Ultranet Lead User</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:#2A6CFF'>Lorne-Aireys Inlet P-12 College</span><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:#2A6CFF'><a href="mailto:ellis.christopher.l@edumail.vic.gov.au">ellis.christopher.l@edumail.vic.gov.au</a></span><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 14/11/2010, at 8:03 PM, Kevork Krozian wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Robert,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Here is a post earlier :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'>-----Original
Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'>From:<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]">[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'>On
Behalf Of Peter Hatigan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'>Sent:
Thursday, 4 November 2010 6:20 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'>To: Year
12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'>Subject:
Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Ipad in schools<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'>Android
tablets are the way to go. They do Flash so will run Ultranet, ABC View,
thousands of websites.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The Android OS is the google one that you were thinking of I
expect.</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:
Consolas'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kevork</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a
href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Timmer-Arends<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Sunday, 14 November
2010 11:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Year 12 Software
Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Year 12
SofDev] Ipad in schools</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hello
Kevork</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>the
IT gurus at our place have had a careful look at the ipad, are impressed, but
are annoyed about the shortcomings and have decided to wait for a machine who's
name I can't remember (may samsung???) that is going to run google's os - it's
apparently every bit as good as the ipad without the flash etc issues and will
apparently be released "soon"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Robert
T-A</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message -----</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a
href="mailto:K.Krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au" title="K.Krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au">Kevork
Krozian</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a
href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" title="sofdev@edulists.com.au">Year 12
Software Development Teachers' Mailing List</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Cc:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a
href="mailto:elearning@edulists.com.au" title="elearning@edulists.com.au">elearning
Teachers' Mailing List</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sunday, November 14,
2010 10:22 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Re: [Year 12 SofDev]
Ipad in schools</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Folks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sorry for cross posting but very topical for our elearning
colleagues ...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I have spoken to 3 schools who are doing just this, Ipads at
year 7 and when I raise these concerns with Flash and Java not running I get a
blank stare.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Is there anyone out there who has considered the issues and
found a resolution/workaround or other approach apart from html5 will solve all
the problems which may or may not happen and may or may not take 3 to 5 years
....</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kevork</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a
href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Don Morelli (Optus)<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Thursday, 4 November
2010 6:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>'Year 12 Software
Development Teachers' Mailing List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Year 12
SofDev] Ipad in schools</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#1F497D'>The decision has been made Allison which is unfortunate for your
school as not only does the iPad not support Flash but it also does not support
Java. So you can’t run java apps like Geogebra in Maths, which is worth
its weight in gold. There are many programs that teachers use to help students
to understand concepts in particular learning areas that are not about
communication, collaboration and research (some of the web 2.0 stuff). These
will not run on the iPad. It will be interesting to see how much of the
“cloud computing software “ will run on it without problems.
Try running Mathletics and I think that you will have a problem with that as
well. I am sure that in the next year or so things will change, but the
range of activities that you can carry out on the iPad now, that have
educational value is limited.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Sorry for not being specific to Software Development.<span
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My school is introducing iPads to our incoming year 7’s and throwing out
the textbooks in all subjects. As my other method is maths and this is a
concern to a few of the other teachers, I was wondering if anyone else’s
school is doing something similar and wanting to know what you think. Major
concern for us is that we use lots of websites that are Flash based and
therefore wont work (as far as I’ve been told) and we now need to redevelop
our year 7 curriculum before the start of next year.<br>
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Any comments would be welcome.<br>
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Allison<br>
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