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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> Great question. I think it is possible to teach OOP
with inheritance at one level . However, as exams have never had any questions beyond
3GL ( selection, looping and sequence – will that change for the next
study design ? ) one has to wonder about the benefit of taking students to a
level of using classes, objects and inheritance. The simple use of objects can
be as rudimentary as reusing pre existing objects ( text box, label, etc
) and changing the properties of these. That is why I believe we need to state
in more detail what a program is expected to do for each programming SAC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> It is one thing mandating only use of true object oriented
languages, quite another what you do with it. Eg. Use of OOP languages
with use of wizards or as a 3GL language may satisfy the language selection, but
how does it stack up for either programming depth of knowledge or currency of
programming methodology ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I too would be curious as to what proportion of our colleagues
use “real” OOP in their teaching and assessment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kevork<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Brookes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 5 August 2010 7:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] programming languages advice for 2011<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi all,<br>
Just to play devil's advocate here, whilst VB6 is technically not a complete
OOL in that it does not directly support inheritance, it does cover all the
criteria listed below. <br>
You can define new classes and create instances of same.<br>
Out of sheer scientific curiosity, how many of you using "real" OOLs
get into classes and inheritance given that many of our SD students have no
previous programming skills/knowledge?<br>
<br>
Mike Brookes<br>
chief cook and bottlewasher Copperfield college<br>
<br>
On 5/08/2010 3:16 PM, Adrian Janson wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Leanne,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>VB6.0 is not a true object orientated programming language and
so it is no longer acceptable. However, I think you will find that the
move to VB.Net is not a difficult one and much of the code is very similar.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Adrian</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:#002060'>Adrian
Janson </span></b><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#002060'>B.Sc, Dip.Ed,
M.Ed<br>
</span></b><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#002060'>Director of ICT<br>
</span></b><span style='color:#244061'>Melbourne High School, Forrest Hill,
South Yarra, Victoria 3141 Australia.<br>
Phone: 03 9826 0711 International: +61 3 9826 0711<br>
Fax: 03 9826 8767 International: +61 3 9826 8767<br>
E-mail: <a href="janson.adrian.a@edumail.vic.gov.au">janson.adrian.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#244061'>Website: <a
href="http://www.mhs.vic.edu.au/">http://www.mhs.vic.edu.au</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#244061'>Blog: <a
href="http://jansona.edublogs.org/" target="_blank">http://jansona.edublogs.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
[<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leanne Wright<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 5 August 2010 2:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' M List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] programming languages advice for 2011</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Does this
mean that Visual Basic 6 is no longer acceptable. Leanne Wright<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Date:
Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:11:04 +1000<br>
From: <a href="mailto:iaquinto@ozemail.com.au">iaquinto@ozemail.com.au</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a><br>
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] programming languages advice for 2011<br>
<br>
Folks<br>
<br>
To reply to several messages I have just received privately, this advice is
from the VCAA website. Kindly note that Paula posted it here but many of you
may have been on holiday when it came out.<br>
<br>
Some languages have been removed from the list. One exciting addition is
Objective-C which is for apps on the iPhone. Additionally, there is advice
about database programming. This has been removed from the 2011 study design.
All languages must be Object-Oriented.<br>
<br>
Perhaps Adrian or someone from VITTA will post some news about 'Gearing up for
SD in 2011' to inform us of the changes to the Study Design. <br>
<br>
Kevork recently posted info about the use of C# with respect to Study Design
2011. Several teachers attended that workshop. <br>
<br>
Maggie<br>
--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<h3><a name=H3N100B3><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Approved
programming languages for the accredited study in 2011</span></a><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></h3>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Students
will use one programming language from the accompanying list, to develop
purpose-designed solutions. In the development of solutions, students should be
able to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>develop a graphical user
interface (GUI), for use in mobile computing devices, such as laptops,
personal digital assistants, gaming consoles, mobile phones</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>construct and use data
structures, for example multi-dimensional arrays, records, queues and
stacks</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>design, construct and use files
(not databases) to store and retrieve data</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>design and apply data validation
techniques</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>use program control structures:
selection, iteration and sequencing.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>The
purpose-designed solutions will entail the use of objects, methods and their
properties, and event-driven programming.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<h4><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>List of approved languages</span><o:p></o:p></h4>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Basic (object-oriented variations only, e.g.
VB.NET)<br>
C++<br>
C#<br>
Objective-C<br>
Pascal (object-oriented variations only, e.g. Delphi)<br>
Java<br>
Perl<br>
PHP<br>
Python<br>
Ruby<br>
With all of the above languages, databases are <strong><span style='font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>not</span></strong> to be used to support the
construction of solutions. Students should be able to demonstrate the highest
level of achievement using only the selected programming language. Additional
languages can be used to embellish a solution, for example JavaScript with web
pages; however, these would be supplementary to the main language and not
replace it.<br>
Specific distributions, projects or variations of languages may be suitable as
long as they are able to address the criteria listed above, including, but not
limited to, an object-oriented programming capability with graphical user
interface features and file handling. Since it is impractical to itemise each
of these language variations, the VCAA recommends teachers firstly consider a
language from the approved list.<br>
Teachers of VCE Software Development should note that the list of approved
programming languages is revised each year and is published annually in the
VCAA Bulletin VCE, VCAL and VET.<br>
<br>
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