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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Robert and Allison,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Not wanting to add to the stress levels the
Study Design does require the same language for both units 3 and 4 as stated on
the first page of the outline of Unit 3 Software Development:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Times-Roman color=#20231e size=3><FONT face=Times-Roman
color=#20231e size=3><FONT face=Times-Roman color=#20231e size=3>
<P align=left>" The programming language selected will be studied for both Unit
3 and Unit 4. The language must be a general-purpose language. " p 37</P>
<P align=left> <FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>As for using a
database, the wording of the SAC states:</FONT></P><FONT face=Times-Roman
color=#20231e size=3><FONT face=Times-Roman color=#20231e size=3><FONT
face=Times-Roman color=#20231e size=3>
<P align=left>On completion of this unit the student should be able to apply the
stages of software development to produce purpose-designed software that takes
into account a networked information system objective and the needs of
end-users."</P>
<P align=left>As Adrian states is is neither necessary nor sufficient to have a
database, rather to meet a networked information system objective which usually
means the ability to share some aspect of the solution on a network. The reason
for a network is management and sharing of resources. If you are writing
software that takes a networked information system objective into account
then I have understood that to mean sharing a resource on the network through or
by the use of the software including the software itself.</P>
<P align=left> So, what is wrong with a simple text file that java saves
to, which is accessible from any machine via a shared drive ? The writer of the
software is taking into account the need to set the path of the text file that
is created and written to in the right drive for access by a number of people on
the network ie. meeting a networked information system objective.</P>
<P align=left> Therefore , any file writing onto a shared drive will get
you out of trouble and present the path of least resistance without having to
use a database or ODBC drivers.</P>
<P align=left>Once again, which version and release of java are you using as I
was using Borland JBuilder for several years at Yr 12 before moving to PHP , so
I might be able to dig something up for
you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Best Wishes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Kevork Krozian<BR><A
href="mailto:kevork@edulists.com.au">kevork@edulists.com.au</A><BR><A
href="http://www.edulists.com.au">www.edulists.com.au</A><BR>Tel: 0419 356
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<A title=timmer@melbpc.org.au
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=sofdev@edulists.com.au
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 14, 2009 5:24
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Java
databases help</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Allison</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>further to Adrian's comments there is also no
mandated language so are you stuck with Java for any particular reason. Is
there another language you could switch to?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Robert T-A</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Brighton SC</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=janson.adrian.a@edumail.vic.gov.au
href="mailto:janson.adrian.a@edumail.vic.gov.au">Adrian Janson</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 14, 2009 2:33
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Java
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Firstly,
there is no requirement that the SACs are delivered in any particular order,
so if you feel that you would like to do U4O2 first to buy yourself some
time, then by all means go ahead. I usually like to leave U4O2 till
the end as it is a good exam prep task and is also at the end of the SDLC –
so it all works quite well from this perpective.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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terms of the database, there is no requirement that U4O1 uses a database –
only that it is a network type application. It just so happens that
using a database is quite a common way of creating a network
application. I am afraid I know nothing about Java – but thought I
would at least email you with this advice – so hope this
helps!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Allison KENINS<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 14 July 2009 1:44
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am struggling really bad with the programming for this course. I do not know
a lot of Java and it scares me and I’ve had a look at the next SAC and
realised that it was databases which I have no idea how to cope with in
Java. <BR><BR>Are you able to do them in Access and then link to them??? If
so how is this done?<BR><BR><BR>Any help is welcome as I am in over my head
with this.<BR><BR>Also, are we able to do the Unit 4 SAC 2 before the Unit 4
SAC 1?<BR><BR>Thanks<BR><BR>Allison Kenins</SPAN> <o:p></o:p></P>
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