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Yes, <BR>
But a programmer that designs software without a grasp of networking and firewalls is basically useless, imagine the potential security holes that could occur with a program in PHP or perl... <BR>
Even that said, how much of the course can be translated to industry really - no I mean TRULY. <BR>
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I think that networking and programming should be interlaced as many games and applications are used via networks... seems a little stupid to exclude them...<BR>
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No Networking b/c the course is called Software Development.<BR>
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Hi Russell,<BR>
snip .....<BR>
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> It is very obvious to me<BR>
"very obvious" aahh a person of conviction!<BR>
> that the VCAA should be<BR>
> providing clear guidance on all areas of the<BR>
> course where there is a possibility of confusion.<BR>
> Firewalls would be an outstanding example.<BR>
> It is also clear to me that in SD we should be<BR>
"clear to me" I am not sure that it would be clear to some others<BR>
> spending much more time on topics like archiving<BR>
> and database design and no time at all on<BR>
> networking.<BR>
> <BR>
why? Especially since the important task of effective implemetation of a <BR>
firewall is crucial in todays networked world.<BR>
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Hi,<BR>
My take on Russell's comment<BR>
Russel is talking Software Design so a Dilbert Career<BR>
Networking is done by some specialists, so as long as Dilbert knows the<BR>
limitations he can focus on SD rather than the platform<BR>
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> It is very obvious to me<BR>
"very obvious" aahh a person of conviction!<BR>
> that the VCAA should be<BR>
> providing clear guidance on all areas of the<BR>
> course where there is a possibility of confusion.<BR>
> Firewalls would be an outstanding example.<BR>
> It is also clear to me that in SD we should be<BR>
"clear to me" I am not sure that it would be clear to some others<BR>
> spending much more time on topics like archiving<BR>
> and database design and no time at all on<BR>
> networking.<BR>
><BR>
why? Especially since the important task of effective implemetation of a<BR>
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