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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>It is very obvious to me that the VCAA should be</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>providing clear guidance on all areas of the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>course where there is a possibility of confusion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Firewalls would be an outstanding example.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is also clear to me that in SD we should be</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>spending much more time on topics like archiving</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>and database design and no time at all on</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Russell Quinn</FONT></DIV>
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4. RE: Help needed please (Joyce Tabone)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:14:27 +1100
From: "Townsley, Andrew A" <townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au>
Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Help needed please
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Hi,
Where is Greenvale exactly as I am in out eastern suburbs but near freeways.
Andrew
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From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Joyce Tabone
Sent: Thu 11/20/2008 4:06 PM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Help needed please
Dear Andrew
Aitken College in Greenvale is looking for a full time ongoing IT teacher.
Please contact me on
j.tabone@cccc.vic.edu.au for more details
Cheers
Joyce
_____________________________________________________________________
Joyce Tabone
IT Co-ordinator
Caroline Chisholm Catholic College
204 Churchill Avenue
Braybrook Vic 3019
Tel: 0392965311
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From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Townsley, Andrew A
Sent: Thu 20/11/2008 1:57 PM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Help needed please
Hi,
I just taught SD and I am looking for a job next year since my contract runs out.
There can be much VB.net programming involved in SD.
I have much experience in IT and have taught many years at Tafe IT and can develop my own sofware (portfolio can be viewed).
Let me know if your school is interested.
Andrew Townsley
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From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Allison KENINS
Sent: Thu 11/20/2008 1:17 PM
To: sofdev@edulists.com.au
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Help needed please
Hi Everyone
First time on this and I'm here after help.
I have just been informed that I am teaching Software Development for next year and I have no idea where to start.
It's a new course at my school so there is no previous course to follow. If anyone could send me in the right direction I would be very grateful.
Thanks
Allison
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:21:30 +1100
From: Kevin Feely <feely.kevin.k@edumail.vic.gov.au>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] SD Post mortem
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Hi Mark,
Thanks, must have taken a while.
I think we are substantially on the same page. hahahahahaha
Looks like I differ on 4 points, so we have 2 people independantly
answering this paper only have 4 points of divergence
Not bad
Now if i may nit pik and precede with that lovely KK IMHO here i go -
deep breath -
PART A yep perzacktely
PART B
Q1 "Archiving's purpose is to free up space" no i dont think so,
otherwise whats the difference between archiving and deleting?
And if its main purpose was to free upstorage space it would be a
superfluous practice in todays world.
I think - Archivings purpose is to create an historical record to
comply with legislation and for good corporate governance practices.
Example: archiving student reports at a school for record keeping
requirements
So if it was up to me a would think deleting is an incorrect answer.
Q4 "minimise running time" I think would have to include loading into
RAM otherwise the direct access from CD choice, and the "many accesses"
would make no sense.
Eg, If it averaged 10 accesses on the file per session then the direct
access will have the data much faster than Option C.
I agree with you on the answer, but I think for eliciting an informed
response we need to have more quantitative data that requires the
student to know more than access from RAM is faster than from HDD and
faster again from DVD or CD. Students should be aware of actual data
access time ranges and be able to make decisions on questions like this
via calculation.
Q5 I thought the 3 minute claim referred to the length of time an exam
candidate had to wait to load the created exam!? So if we had 20 people
sitting an exam we created it would take 3 minutes per candidate to
"load" the questions, ie get to a point where they can start answering
the exam. Is that 20 x 3 or 3min no matter how many candidates you have?
And i think Claim 3 is not a reliability criteria, sorry, but i would
have compatibility as the single correct response. As in if we have a
favourable network it will not have any fatal errors, if we dont it will
have fatal errors, therefore we are talking compatibility.
PART C
Q1 Social. "pattie did not spend as much time....". isn't this
efficiency as we are looking at time improvements?
Q2 Loved your answer. loved it!
Q5 The use of == or = instead of <-- errrrr NO, sorry
Q11 we are asked to identify 2 features she would want in this plan
...... Your feature that "Is the DDRP documented". Are you getting her
to ask for a feature in the document is "that it exists"? I have assumed
that the document exists and we have to specify 2 important features
that it should contain, so I would see this feature as incorrect.
regards
Kevin
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:00:40 +1100
From: "Don Morelli Optus" <da_morelli@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Exam Question C9
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Your answer is disturbing Kevin as I am not aware of teachers of SD being
told that this is the case. I haven't seen it in any advice, and would be
interested in knowing if others had seen this definition of where a firewall
should go (other than being at the mentioned session). These "preferred
answers/definitions" should be know to all in the interest of fairness.
I would never think of putting a firewall between the modem and the internet
cloud, unless it was in reference to some firewalling provided by the ISP.
Cheers
Don
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From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Kevin Feely
Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2008 12:13 PM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Exam Question C9
Hi Kevork,
snip ....
> 1. Section A Q 17 . Terrible question.
> The only workable answer given the topology, is to have a dedicated
firewall on segment 3. Segment 4 is outside the control of the organisation.
The ISP controls Segment 4 and allocated an IP address to the modem
interface to allow it to speak with the ISP. If a firewall is placed in
segment 4 the network will not function as the modem will not be able to
speak to the ISP.
> Kevin , you make a good point about not having your router exposed to
attacks by having the firewall at segment 3. That is why this is a bad
question. Because ideally the firewall should be between the router and the
modem. However, corporate solutions place the dedicated firewall if that is
what we MUST use ( separate box ) at segment 3 because the router is just
that, doing routing ( path selection and steering of packets to the right
interface or perhaps some Network address translation where internal private
addresses can be translated to live addresses and/or even acting as a DHCP
server) and not much more.
>
> The firewall would be best placed as a part of the router on the
router/modem.
>
..... unsnip
Yep, absolutely. And i presented this view at the end of a session by
Maggie at Melb Uni earlier this year. i was told (not by Maggie) but by
someone involved in the final decision making process that as far as SD
was concerned a firewall had to be put as the last device before the
internet cloud, after the modem/router, and it couldn't be a software
solution or as part of the router configuration. Unfortunately in my now
more accepting character i let this go. So my answer is not only what i
told my students, it is what i was told by a member of the SD panel,
even tho it is incorrect. such is life?
regards
Kevin
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:05:56 +1100
From: "Joyce Tabone" <j.tabone@cccc.vic.edu.au>
Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Help needed please
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Hi Andrew
Greenvale is located just past Tullamarine, approx 20 minutes from the CBD. Aitken College is an independent school prep to year 12. It has a fabulous working environment. Contact me off list on j.tabone@cccc.vic.edu.au
and I can give you more details
Cheers
Joyce
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From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Townsley, Andrew A
Sent: Thu 20/11/2008 6:14 PM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Help needed please
Hi,
Where is Greenvale exactly as I am in out eastern suburbs but near freeways.
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Joyce Tabone
Sent: Thu 11/20/2008 4:06 PM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Help needed please
Dear Andrew
Aitken College in Greenvale is looking for a full time ongoing IT teacher.
Please contact me on
j.tabone@cccc.vic.edu.au for more details
Cheers
Joyce
_____________________________________________________________________
Joyce Tabone
IT Co-ordinator
Caroline Chisholm Catholic College
204 Churchill Avenue
Braybrook Vic 3019
Tel: 0392965311
_____
From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Townsley, Andrew A
Sent: Thu 20/11/2008 1:57 PM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Help needed please
Hi,
I just taught SD and I am looking for a job next year since my contract runs out.
There can be much VB.net programming involved in SD.
I have much experience in IT and have taught many years at Tafe IT and can develop my own sofware (portfolio can be viewed).
Let me know if your school is interested.
Andrew Townsley
-----Original Message-----
From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Allison KENINS
Sent: Thu 11/20/2008 1:17 PM
To: sofdev@edulists.com.au
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Help needed please
Hi Everyone
First time on this and I'm here after help.
I have just been informed that I am teaching Software Development for next year and I have no idea where to start.
It's a new course at my school so there is no previous course to follow. If anyone could send me in the right direction I would be very grateful.
Thanks
Allison
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