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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>I suppose this is what happens when you don't have</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>a rigorous syllabus statement from VCAA.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't take the text books as syllabus statements,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>their different treatment of data structures is an excellent</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>illustration of why not.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Russell Quinn</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mailto: <A href="mailto:qn@boxhillhs.vic.edu.au" target=_blank>qn@boxhillhs.vic.edu.au</A></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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From: "Robert Mercer" <rmercer@groupwise.swin.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] DFD question
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Thanks everyone, now I can see where the discrepancies come in. I guess as the VCAA exams focus on the use of DFDs in database table designs, that is the point to be emphasised. Along with a general awareness the other possible applications so students. And as about 60% of students got 0/2 for this on the exam, perhaps it is worth revisiting with students.
>>> "Kevork Krozian" <Kroset@novell1.fhc.vic.edu.au> 18/09/2008 12:15 pm >>>
Hi Folks,
A data dictionary can contain the following :
1. a data element ( think of a field in a data table )
2. a data flow as in a data flow diagram
3. a data store ( think of a file )
4. a process ( the round things in DFDs )
Whilst a data dictionary may be presented that contains only one part of a system ( fields in a table ) , it is not the only type of information found in a data dictionary.
A data dictionary has to be a system development/design tool so how can it only refer to fields in a table? Data in a system is not just a field in a table.
In addition, a data dictionary needs to be able to be referred to at any stage of the SDLC, not just when database table design takes place.
A number of references refer to this explanation including Fitzpatrick , Keane ( the Thomson book referred to by Rob Mercer - p 73 , not p25 ) and
1. Systems Development Analysis, Feasiblity and Implementation by Olekalns ISBN 0=86458-040-1
2. Systems Development Models by Courtier ISBN 1-875886-50-8
3. System Documentaion Methods by Judy Adams
4. Management Information Systems - concepts, issues, tools and Applications by Tatnall, Davey,Burgess, and Davison ( Data Publishing )1998
One problem has been that VCAA exams have referred to data dictionaries when describing database table design which is strictly correct. However, data dictionaries are not restricted to this type of use only and as that question in the 2007 exam illustrates, it is important for the students to understand this scope of use of data dictionaries.
Hope that helps
Best Wishes
Kevork Krozian
IT Manager , Forest Hill College
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>>> Mark Kelly <kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> 18/09/2008 12:24 pm >>>
Did you mean page 73, or am I using the wrong book?
It's interesting how they explicitly include processes in a data
dictionary (page 72) - I never have.
I see a data dictionary as a pure and simple table of field names, field
types, lengths, validation rules perhaps. Not processes, however:
that's more for an N-S chart, for example.
Interesting though... might do a bit of digging around in the 'real' IT
world and see what the conventions are there.
Then again, I really don't like their version of IPO charts on p74. I
like IPO to be pure "data / processing / information produced" e.g.
INPUT = Date of birth, Today's date
PROCESSING = (Today-DOB)/365.25
OUTPUT = Age
I really dislike using IPO charts as a uselessly vague version of a
flowchart e.g. (from page 74)
INPUT = Personal details
PROCESSING = Check details
OUTPUT = Checked details
How pointless is that?
yuk.
Robert Mercer wrote:
> Hello,
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> I am looking at the data dictionary on page 25 of the Thomson SD text book and there appears to be process listed "Add New Member". I was of the understanding processes do not get listed in data dictionaries as is indicated by the 2007 exam Section C Question 2 c. Anyone have any thoughts?
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> Regards,
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