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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Ta for the reply,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2> I was thinking along the lines of</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>informed consent, particularly given the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>buried nature of the statement. However,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>if the information is not really private</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>(as in an employee record), perhaps</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>it does not need to be included. It is</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>legitimate for employers to monitor their</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>employees although the broadcast aspect</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>is a bit of a twist.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Russell Quinn</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mailto: <A href="mailto:qn@boxhillhs.vic.edu.au" target=_blank>qn@boxhillhs.vic.edu.au</A></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:14:01 +1000
From: "Russell Quinn" <QN@boxhillhs.vic.edu.au>
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Adrian's SAC 401- Legal Advice
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Hi all,
I am having trouble working out
If The Web Cam activation is actually illegal.
Would the output constitute an employee record
and is agreeing upon logon binding - given the
shifty way it was implemented?
TIA
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:33:43 +1000
From: "Adrian Janson" <janson.adrian.a@edumail.vic.gov.au>
Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Adrian's SAC 401- Legal Advice
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Hi Russell,
One of the reasons that I included the bit about the lengthy licence
agreement is that it has been shown (and I am not sure of how to prove
this.) but lengthy licence agreements like this don't hold any weight in a
court of law as they are highly unethical. Now - I know that unethical and
illegal and two different things (and this is what makes a good discussion
point), but there was a legal case where a court in the US ruled that it was
unreasonable for the user to be expected to read such as lengthy agreement
and then ruled in the favour of the user.
Someone might have some good links for this?
As for the camera footage - not sure about this one, but it is certainly
unethical.
Cheers,
Adrian
Adrian Janson,
VITTA President
Director of ICT,
Melbourne High School,
Forrest Hill, South Yarra 3141 Australia.
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On Behalf Of Russell Quinn
Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2008 9:14 AM
To: sofdev@edulists.com.au
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Adrian's SAC 401- Legal Advice
Hi all,
I am having trouble working out
If The Web Cam activation is actually illegal.
Would the output constitute an employee record
and is agreeing upon logon binding - given the
shifty way it was implemented?
TIA
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:59:37 +1000
From: "WEIR Andrew" <andrew.weir@thomascarr.vic.edu.au>
Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Adrian's SAC 401- Legal Advice
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Adrian and other,
This is also similar to the issue raised last night on a current affair
(I think) about the Product disclosure statements that come with car
insurance.
How many of us have actually read it word for word. I wonder the the US
case can be adapted to Aus law.
it seems only lawyers don't follow the KISS principle. (Sorry to all
lawyers)
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[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Adrian Janson
Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2008 9:34 AM
To: 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Adrian's SAC 401- Legal Advice
Hi Russell,
One of the reasons that I included the bit about the lengthy licence
agreement is that it has been shown (and I am not sure of how to prove
this...) but lengthy licence agreements like this don't hold any weight
in a court of law as they are highly unethical. Now - I know that
unethical and illegal and two different things (and this is what makes a
good discussion point), but there was a legal case where a court in the
US ruled that it was unreasonable for the user to be expected to read
such as lengthy agreement and then ruled in the favour of the user.
Someone might have some good links for this?
As for the camera footage - not sure about this one, but it is certainly
unethical.
Cheers,
Adrian
Adrian Janson,
VITTA President
Director of ICT,
Melbourne High School,
Forrest Hill, South Yarra 3141 Australia.
Phone: 03 9826 0711 International: +61 3 9826 0711
Fax: 03 9826 8767 International: +61 3 9826 8767
E-mail: janson.adrian.a@edumail.vic.gov.au
<mailto:janson.adrian.a@edumail.vic.gov.au>
Website: http://www.mhs.vic.edu.au <http://www.mhs.vic.edu.au>
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From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Russell Quinn
Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2008 9:14 AM
To: sofdev@edulists.com.au
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Adrian's SAC 401- Legal Advice
Hi all,
I am having trouble working out
If The Web Cam activation is actually illegal.
Would the output constitute an employee record
and is agreeing upon logon binding - given the
shifty way it was implemented?
TIA
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